Lethal and non-lethal

[Chess Pwn]

Is there a way to do lethal and non-lethal damage on an attack? Or adding a source of non-lethal damage to an attack?

[Lincoln Hills]

I suppose that technically a flaming sap +1 does lethal fire damage and nonlethal bludgeoning damage. And there are Cavaliers of the Dragon, who automatically convert a little of any lethal damage they take into nonlethal - they suffer both at once, although that's not a choice the attacker makes.

[Dafydd]

Lethal and non-lethal at once.

Non-lethal weapon + and any damage properties (flaming, shocking etc)

Or

Lethal weapon + Frostbite (via Spellstrike), weapon does lethal, frostbite is non-lethal (cold)

Could also do a Lethal weapon + Merciful touch spell, via Spellstrike.

[Purple Dragon Knight]

As per above there seems to be a precedent for non-lethal energy damage (frostbite, non-lethal cold)

I don't know what the official word is, but based on that I would allow flaming sap+1 to deal non-lethal bludgeoning and non-lethal (fire) damage in a home campaign (i.e. I'd be inclined to say if something deals non-lethal damage, the whole thing deals non-lethal damage, including +1 enhancement or energy weapon bonuses)

[Imbicatus]

Be a Half-Orc or Orc, use an Orc Double axe, and take the Orc Weapon Expertise feat for +1 non-lethal damage on every lethal hit.

Not PFS legal though.

[Dafydd]

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

As per above there seems to be a precedent for non-lethal energy damage (frostbite, non-lethal cold)

I don't know what the official word is, but based on that I would allow flaming sap+1 to deal non-lethal bludgeoning and non-lethal (fire) damage in a home campaign (i.e. I'd be inclined to say if something deals non-lethal damage, the whole thing deals non-lethal damage, including +1 enhancement or energy weapon bonuses)

That ruling negates the Merciful property.

Frostbite is a specific spell, made to emulate the effects of extreme cold.

Merciful spells are normal spells modified by a metamagic.

That said, the +1 and the STR is already nonlethal if the base weapon is.