Proposal regarding languages for half-human characters.


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Majuba wrote:

So Paul's situation here is a great example of how half-orcs and half-elves may *not* speak their 'native' language - outsider syndrome. Half-orc Shoanti are common enough (Belkzen being right next door) - but I can totally see the Quahs not teaching Shoanti to these half-breed children, and only speaking to them in Common, as they would an outsider. Even if their parent(s) taught them it, without practice it wouldn't stick all that much. There's certainly role-play potential in *that*.

I vehemently disagree. There is no way a Shoanti child raised by the fairly xenophobic Shoanti would not speak Shoanti. Heck, given the way children soak up languages it would be all but impossible for a child to NOT understand the language of the community he is raised in.

Also, the character in question is at least 4 generations from his Orc ancestor.

Your argument is getting dangerously clise to badwrongfun. Yoy want the "roleplaying challenge of playibg a Shianti who doesn't speak Shoanti? Fine. The proposal doesn't stop you. But I do NOT want that particular "challenge"

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Paul Jackson wrote:
Majuba wrote:

So Paul's situation here is a great example of how half-orcs and half-elves may *not* speak their 'native' language - outsider syndrome. Half-orc Shoanti are common enough (Belkzen being right next door) - but I can totally see the Quahs not teaching Shoanti to these half-breed children, and only speaking to them in Common, as they would an outsider. Even if their parent(s) taught them it, without practice it wouldn't stick all that much. There's certainly role-play potential in *that*.

I vehemently disagree. There is no way a Shoanti child raised by the fairly xenophobic Shoanti would not speak Shoanti. Heck, given the way children soak up languages it would be all but impossible for a child to NOT understand the language of the community he is raised in.

Also, the character in question is at least 4 generations from his Orc ancestor.

Your argument is getting dangerously clise to badwrongfun. Yoy want the "roleplaying challenge of playibg a Shianti who doesn't speak Shoanti? Fine. The proposal doesn't stop you. But I do NOT want that particular "challenge"

In the real world you see tons of immigrant parents who raise bilingual children who grow up learning thier parents native language, but never use it in public since English what they would speak in the US to get by.

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And I know a linguistics teacher here in the US that raised his child to know 3 languages - He spoke to his daughter in French, his wife in Spanish, and his wife talked to their daughter in English.

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Andrew Christian wrote:
Paul Jackson wrote:
Majuba wrote:

So Paul's situation here is a great example of how half-orcs and half-elves may *not* speak their 'native' language - outsider syndrome. Half-orc Shoanti are common enough (Belkzen being right next door) - but I can totally see the Quahs not teaching Shoanti to these half-breed children, and only speaking to them in Common, as they would an outsider. Even if their parent(s) taught them it, without practice it wouldn't stick all that much. There's certainly role-play potential in *that*.

I vehemently disagree. There is no way a Shoanti child raised by the fairly xenophobic Shoanti would not speak Shoanti. Heck, given the way children soak up languages it would be all but impossible for a child to NOT understand the language of the community he is raised in.

Also, the character in question is at least 4 generations from his Orc ancestor.

Your argument is getting dangerously clise to badwrongfun. Yoy want the "roleplaying challenge of playibg a Shianti who doesn't speak Shoanti? Fine. The proposal doesn't stop you. But I do NOT want that particular "challenge"

In the real world you see tons of immigrant parents who raise bilingual children who grow up learning thier parents native language, but never use it in public since English what they would speak in the US to get by.

Yeah applying real world logic to a game where the parents potentially risk having a horrific and torturous death just to even see their kids isn't exactly going to work.

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MadScientistWorking wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:


In the real world you see tons of immigrant parents who raise bilingual children who grow up learning thier parents native language, but never use it in public since English what they would speak in the US to get by.

Yeah applying real world logic to a game where the parents potentially risk having a horrific and torturous death just to even see their kids isn't exactly going to work.

Huh? I have no clue what you're talking about in terms of horrific deaths.

And, in terms of what languages a child learns, I think real world logic actually DOES apply. Why do you think differently?

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MadScientistWorking wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
Paul Jackson wrote:
Majuba wrote:

So Paul's situation here is a great example of how half-orcs and half-elves may *not* speak their 'native' language - outsider syndrome. Half-orc Shoanti are common enough (Belkzen being right next door) - but I can totally see the Quahs not teaching Shoanti to these half-breed children, and only speaking to them in Common, as they would an outsider. Even if their parent(s) taught them it, without practice it wouldn't stick all that much. There's certainly role-play potential in *that*.

I vehemently disagree. There is no way a Shoanti child raised by the fairly xenophobic Shoanti would not speak Shoanti. Heck, given the way children soak up languages it would be all but impossible for a child to NOT understand the language of the community he is raised in.

Also, the character in question is at least 4 generations from his Orc ancestor.

Your argument is getting dangerously clise to badwrongfun. Yoy want the "roleplaying challenge of playibg a Shianti who doesn't speak Shoanti? Fine. The proposal doesn't stop you. But I do NOT want that particular "challenge"

In the real world you see tons of immigrant parents who raise bilingual children who grow up learning thier parents native language, but never use it in public since English what they would speak in the US to get by.
Yeah applying real world logic to a game where the parents potentially risk having a horrific and torturous death just to even see their kids isn't exactly going to work.

This is so far off the mark, I don't even know where to begin. :P

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