Dot. I'm interested in the answer.
There was a recent related thread, and I think mplindustries had the right of it, by saying that you can only provoke by taking actions unless otherwise specified. Falling off a cliff is not an action, so it does not provoke.
I'd say yes, you are moving out of a threatened square, even if it isn't voluntary movement.
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Hmm... yes that is a good point that it says taking actions. Thus leading that the movement isn't provoking but the choice to move out of the square.
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I'd say yes, you are moving out of a threatened square, even if it isn't voluntary movement.
Hmm... but you are moving at uncontrollable speed... Most people don't know when stuff is falling from above (so flat-footed). Falling objects rules grant a Reflex save against falling object damage.
I'd say only those with Combat Reflexes (i.e. spidey spider-sense) should be able to do this, and only provided they make a DC 20 Perception check (modified for distance, so as they get closer the DC drops to a minimum of 20)
I thought the game specifically pointed out when movement, even involuntary, was NOT an AoO.
My group has been debating whether or not an AoO would be granted to a defender when a character drops to the ground from above.
Does someone on the ground threaten the squares above and around their heads?
Indeed it does, like in this situation:
"Avoid Falling After Being Attacked
You are not considered flat-footed while flying. If you are flying using wings and you take damage while flying, you must make a DC 10 Fly check to avoid losing 10 feet of altitude. This descent does not provoke an attack of opportunity and does not count against a creature’s movement."Whereas in this situation, there is no such information:
"Avoid Falling After Collision
If you are using wings to fly and you collide with an object equal to your size or larger, you must immediately make a DC 25 Fly check to avoid plummeting to the ground, taking the appropriate falling damage."It seems clear that if a character is aware of the falling creature (not flat-footed, or has Combat Reflexes), they can take an attack of opportunity.
Your logic doesn't follow. Are you telling me now that falling after a collision counts against my movement, when falling after being attacked doesn't? This seems farcical.
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In general, I would not allow an AOO if a falling creature were to fall in a path that was adjacent to another creature. I would only allow an attack (not AOO) if the attacker were to be prepared to attack (ie readying an attack).
However, if a falling creature landed adjacent to an attacker, I would allow an AOO against the defending creature as he would be momentarily open to attack (unless the defender successfully rolled an acrobatics roll to avoid the AOO from the 'movement'. I know there is no actual movement per se, but the AOO feels right and I prefer that my players have some way to defend against it). This has only happened once in our game in any case.
In general, I would not allow an AOO if a falling creature were to fall in a path that was adjacent to another creature. I would only allow an attack (not AOO) if the attacker were to be prepared to attack (ie readying an attack).
However, if a falling creature landed adjacent to an attacker, I would allow an AOO against the defending creature as he would be momentarily open to attack (unless the defender successfully rolled an acrobatics roll to avoid the AOO from the 'movement'. I know there is no actual movement per se, but the AOO feels right and I prefer that my players have some way to defend against it). This has only happened once in our game in any case.
If they're down on the ground, they still provoke an AOO to stand up. MIGHT be double dipping if you let them get free shots on the way down too...
Part of me thinks that logically, falling past an enemy should provoke... but with the number of giant flying creatures with reach, I also acknowledge that it would the players a LOT more then it ever does the monsters....
I REALLY don't like the idea of getting dropped to zero, falling towards the ground only to get 2 or 3 free hits pushing me into the VERY dead just for spite....
I'm pretty sure falling doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity, but getting up does. Otherwise you get hit twice from a trip, unfair... Also, you can't hit a falling person unless you expected them to fall (Readied action), it's just too fast for you to react...
Indeed it does, like in this situation:
"Avoid Falling After Being Attacked
You are not considered flat-footed while flying. If you are flying using wings and you take damage while flying, you must make a DC 10 Fly check to avoid losing 10 feet of altitude. This descent does not provoke an attack of opportunity and does not count against a creature’s movement."Whereas in this situation, there is no such information:
"Avoid Falling After Collision
If you are using wings to fly and you collide with an object equal to your size or larger, you must immediately make a DC 25 Fly check to avoid plummeting to the ground, taking the appropriate falling damage."It seems clear that if a character is aware of the falling creature (not flat-footed, or has Combat Reflexes), they can take an attack of opportunity.
There is also a big difference between falling 10' and recovering and a flat out free fall.
