Tengu Swordtraining and Tripoint Double Edge Sword

[2 Coppers Worth]

So my Tengu shaman I am building is a little squishy. So I was thinking if forced into melee a polearm might be nice. Swordtraining is so vaugely worded I don't know if a Tripoint Double Edge Sword counts as a sword? It has sword in the name but the description says nothing about it.

Follow up with that. If I took the trait Exotic Weapon Training can I train in Daikyu (Long Bow)?

[Elicoor]

Short answer : No.

RAW : It's not in the Swordtrained ability text.

Swordtrained (Ex) Tengus are trained from birth in swordplay, and as a result are automatically proficient with sword-like weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades, falchions, greatswords, kukris, longswords, punching daggers, rapiers, scimitars, short swords, and two-bladed swords).

Personal interpretation :
The tripoint double-edged sword is not a sword-like weapon, even if its name contains the word "sword". It's clearly defined as a polearm, resembling a voulge or something along these lines.

Long answer : Nooooooooooooooooooooo !

[burkoJames]

Elicoor wrote:

Swordtrained (Ex) Tengus are trained from birth in swordplay, and as a result are automatically proficient with sword-like weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades, falchions, greatswords, kukris, longswords, punching daggers, rapiers, scimitars, short swords, and two-bladed swords).

Point of order, it doesn't HAVE to be enumerated in the description of rit to be raw, as the list starts with the word 'including' which idicates there are other acceptable weapons. However, RAW is sword-like, and the tripoint double edged sword is clearly not swordlike in its use, so might be correct in that respect.

[2 Coppers Worth]

Elicoor wrote:

Short answer : No.

RAW : It's not in the Swordtrained ability text.

Swordtrained (Ex) Tengus are trained from birth in swordplay, and as a result are automatically proficient with sword-like weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades, falchions, greatswords, kukris, longswords, punching daggers, rapiers, scimitars, short swords, and two-bladed swords).

Long answer : Nooooooooooooooooooooo !

Trust me I scoured the boards for about 45 minutes and even checked the Faq for Advanced Race Guide before asking this question.

There are many other weapons that have been deemed appropriate as sword like that are not on that list. Such as Falcata, Aldori dueling sword, Katana, Wakizashi so just saying it is not on that short list of examples does not necessarily negate the possibility of it being considered a sword.
There needs to be a Faq clarification of what "sword-like" means.

[2 Coppers Worth]

How about the answer to my second question about Daikyu (Long Bow)? Do you guys have a possible answer to that.

[claudekennilol]

2 Coppers Worth wrote:

How about the answer to my second question about Daikyu (Long Bow)? Do you guys have a possible answer to that.

Longbow is a martial weapon, not an exotic weapon, so taking exotic weapon proficiency for a longbow wouldn't do anything. So take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat instead and you're good.

[2 Coppers Worth]

claudekennilol wrote:

Longbow is a martial weapon, not an exotic weapon, so taking exotic weapon proficiency for a longbow wouldn't do anything. So take the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat instead and you're good.

That is not how Exotic Weapon Training works

Exotic Weapon Training: Instead of swords, some
tengus are trained in exotic weaponry. Such tengus choose
a number of eastern weapons (Ultimate Combat 131) equal
to 3 + their Intelligence bonus, and gain proficiency with
these weapons. This racial trait replaces swordtrained.

Ultimate Combat is the one that says Daikyu is the eastern equivalent of the long bow.

[Elicoor]

Daikyu are clearly defined as eastern weapons, and as such I would allow you to take the Daikyu for Exotic Weapon Training.