The animal ally feat can be taken at fifth level to gain you select companions of base ranger progression (Level-3)
It says it stacks with, But never states it no longer advances beyond, class levels that aquire an animal companion
So you're a fighter 5, take animal ally gaining a level 2 animal companion
take a level of druid at level 6, is the animal companion level 3, or level 4?
So if the animal companion does not advance after obtaining a more official source, does it advance if you take levels in a separate class without one again? so fighter5/druid1/monk 14 let's say.
If it does continue to advance, what happens if you continue as a druid for those 14 levels?
there's a big chunk of mathematics i'm trying to make sure I get right
I don't know, maybe you lose the feat since you don't meet the requirements anymore.
Final question to tack on,
What if someone goes fighter 15/cavalier5 and takes his final feat as horselord.
Scenario
A.) You lose the feat but keep the EDL gained
Fighter5/druid1/monk14= Level 3 animal companion
Fighter15/cav6+horselord= 31 animal companion
B.) You keep the advancement
Fighter5/druid1/monk14= Level 17 animal companion
Fighter15/cav6(Horselord)= level 37 animal companion
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I think that the two feat prereq puts this exactly in line with sylvan eldrich heritage but slightly better for ac and worse for knowledge skill
However, this does not mean it wont/can't be abused.
I'm wondering if RAI it's supposed to advance and stack but is assumed to not be being abused(As everything else)
To be honest there are worse things you can do with animal companions/mounts without ruining your character, Hellknight signifier with 1 level in oracle and 4 levels in cleric can gain you multiple scaling animal companions, 4 levels in huntmaster cavalier can let you further abuse the principal, and giving you a single level to shove into something like mammoth rider...
heck be a human, put that extra level into orc sorcerer for all I care, there are some good feats to grab, divide the levels into groups of 1, then wind up with beast rider orc so they're all edl 3 elephants.
do you mean horse master?
And again, maybe you lose out on your animal ally feat once you take a level of something that gets an animal companion or mount. Whatever it is it would work the same as the others.
do you mean horse master?
And again, maybe you lose out on your animal ally feat once you take a level of something that gets an animal companion or mount. Whatever it is it would work the same as the others.
Sorry i'm mixing up two similarly named feats when I type it DX
But yeah the one which advances your mount with your cavalier level
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For reference:
Prerequisites: Nature Soul, character level 4th, must not have an animal companion or mount that advances as an animal companion.
Benefit: You gain an animal companion as if you were a druid of your character level –3 from the following list: badger, bird, camel, cat (small), dire rat, dog, horse, pony, snake (viper), or wolf. If you later gain an animal companion through another source (such as the Animal domain, divine bond, hunter’s bond, mount, or nature bond class features), the effective druid level granted by this feat stacks with that granted by other sources.
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It's clear that a Fighter-5/Cavalier-15 would have at least a 17th level companion [(5-3)+15].
What's not clear is whether you get to "double dip" those Cavalier levels, since the feat states "character level - 3".
That would mean having a 32nd level companion [(20-3)+15], if the above example was followed.
You will see other threads where people argue this 2nd calculation to be the "RAW", but I personally believe it's silly.
It's clear that a Fighter-5/Cavalier-15 would have at least a 17th level companion [(5-3)+15].
What's not clear is whether you get to "double dip" those Cavalier levels, since the feat states "character level - 3".
That would mean having a 32nd level companion [(20-3)+15], if the above example was followed.
You will see other threads where people argue this 2nd calculation to be the "RAW", but I personally believe it's silly.
And what's less clear is what happens when you take the feat, then dip in a class which grants animal companions, then continue in a class which does not.
I would say that once you have a class that grants an animal companion or a mount (or anything that acts like these) you no longer qualify for the animal ally feat in the first place. We know it is possible to stop qualifying for feats and lose access to their benefits.
If one has strength 13 and has power attack and then is strength drained to 12 he can no longer use power attack. If you gain an animal companion (from another source) after already having animal ally then you lose the benefit of the feat as you no longer qualify as not having an animal compnaion/mount.
I would suggest retraining such a feat to someting like horse master or boon companion.
I would say that once you have a class that grants an animal companion or a mount (or anything that acts like these) you no longer qualify for the animal ally feat in the first place. We know it is possible to stop qualifying for feats and lose access to their benefits.
If one has strength 13 and has power attack and then is strength drained to 12 he can no longer use power attack. If you gain an animal companion (from another source) after already having animal ally then you lose the benefit of the feat as you no longer qualify as not having an animal compnaion/mount.
I would suggest retraining such a feat to someting like horse master or boon companion.
Claxon there is a specific exception to that rule in the feat stating that if you later gain an animal companion the effects stack
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Claxon there is a specific exception to that rule in the feat stating that if you later gain an animal companion the effects stackI would say that once you have a class that grants an animal companion or a mount (or anything that acts like these) you no longer qualify for the animal ally feat in the first place. We know it is possible to stop qualifying for feats and lose access to their benefits.
If one has strength 13 and has power attack and then is strength drained to 12 he can no longer use power attack. If you gain an animal companion (from another source) after already having animal ally then you lose the benefit of the feat as you no longer qualify as not having an animal compnaion/mount.
I would suggest retraining such a feat to someting like horse master or boon companion.
Whoops! Missed that part.
The the only sensible way to parse the overall effect is as Nefreet said:
[(Levels of classes that do not provide animal companion) -3] + [Levels of class that provide animal companion] = Effective Druid Level
Under no circumstance does it makes sense for the effective druid level to ever exceed the character level.
Claxon there is a specific exception to that rule in the feat stating that if you later gain an animal companion the effects stackI would say that once you have a class that grants an animal companion or a mount (or anything that acts like these) you no longer qualify for the animal ally feat in the first place. We know it is possible to stop qualifying for feats and lose access to their benefits.
If one has strength 13 and has power attack and then is strength drained to 12 he can no longer use power attack. If you gain an animal companion (from another source) after already having animal ally then you lose the benefit of the feat as you no longer qualify as not having an animal compnaion/mount.
I would suggest retraining such a feat to someting like horse master or boon companion.
Whoops! Missed that part.
The the only sensible way to parse the overall effect is as Nefreet said:
[(Levels of classes that do not provide animal companion) -3] + [Levels of class that provide animal companion] = Effective Druid LevelUnder no circumstance does it makes sense for the effective druid level to ever exceed the character level.
Sad that this feat is useless for my animal companion build
Ahh well I already have five. Scaling companions with that build
Pretty confident that the best thing to do is progress the animals separately. To make this happen, you would have to take an animal companion off of the druid list that isn't available through the animal ally feat, ensuring that they progress separately.