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I am starting to wonder if people who use Point Buy even really like rolling dice. I mean the random chance must drive them mad because its unfair and unknowable. I mean sure they could use a system like Hero Points to confirm hits and such but really this aversion to random chance in a game based on it seems counter intuitive.
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Yeah, a real player decides everything at random! We should randomize race, class, gender, stats, hit points, skills, feats, alignment, and in-game actions!
You choose to attack the boss? Um, BORING!
You randomly attack... *rolls* ...your bard!
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I am starting to wonder if people who use Point Buy even really like rolling dice. I mean the random chance must drive them mad because its unfair and unknowable.
Attack rolls and skill checks are localized. Stat rolls are global. There is a difference in degrees of importance. Your speculation is unwarranted and rather insulting.
Just to play the devil's advocate, I'm going to point out some other options:
The benefits of point buy is that it lets me play any class I choose to and probably not suck depending on what PB the DM assigns.
... unless the GM thinks that several good stats unbalance things, in which case they tend to be overly restrictive definitively preventing access to a MAD class.
The benefits of rolling stats are... tradition.
... and the slim chance to have actively superior stats, organic character creation (by after-the-stat choices) - which could lead to characters you may enjoy that you'd never otherwise choose to play.
That said, of the two methods, point-buy is the better one for player choice and freedom; there are just benefits and interesting elements that come with randomization as well.
Yeah, a real player decides everything at random! We should randomize race, class, gender, stats, hit points, skills, feats, alignment, and in-game actions!
Don't you think I haven't! (In Neverwinter Nights...)
Man, Neverwinter Nights was so much fun. If you didn't abuse resting mechanics, at least.
Man, Neverwinter Nights was so much fun. If you didn't abuse resting mechanics, at least.
It was fun any way you played it! :D
I am starting to wonder if people who use Point Buy even really like rolling dice. I mean the random chance must drive them mad because its unfair and unknowable.Attack rolls and skill checks are localized. Stat rolls are global. There is a difference in degrees of importance. Your speculation is unwarranted and rather insulting.
No insult meant, but it is coming off as the argument is simply "Its random so its unfair" but all rolls are random. Is it fair that jimmy can't seem to roll above a 5 all night and Bobby is rolling nothing but 18s, 19s, and 20s that is not fair but its the RNG at work.
Point Buy feels honestly a little PC so that everyone can feel special together. but really its easy to minmax into power with Point Buy.
15 point buy. you can get a 18 Str, 12 Dex, and 14 Con, with 7 in Int and cha and 9 in Wis and still function. With human bonus that 18 goes to 20. So when Mr. Fighter here swings his big ol Great Sword with two hands and rolls 2d6+7+2 He is likely to deal 11-21 damage (7 comes from 1.5x Str 2 from PA) so yeah he is killing anything that gets in his way and he is effective. Same with a Wizard in physical stats he can dump Str, Cha, and Wis do the lowest possible and have a 20 in Int allowing him a lot of Spells from level 1 on and of course higher DCs. So yes SAD characters get an advantage in Point Buy.
I don't even know what you're arguing, Rubix.
People are willing to roll randomly for attacks and skills because you can try again.
With stats, which inform class/feat choice, you get your roll and that's it. You rolled like crap? Hope you didn't like this campaign. I know people talk about the good old days where everyone was miserable and liked it, but there's no reason to subject oneself to that.
The dice still fall where they may in-game, but I get to choose who I am and what I can do before that happens.
You can break anything into a point buy, I mean hell one of the digital dice rollers I use can be marked to tell you the point buy value of your randomly generated rolls in much the same way as Dennis mentions.
It is still random, everyone could roll really low at the start nothing over 14, and still have fun. Heck I have played games where we played with just straight 14s not including Racial Adjustments and we had a blast. Sure it felt a little more Bleh because you don't get that thrill of a "Sweet I rolled really good on this one" feeling which is part of the game.
I don't even know what you're arguing, Rubix.
People are willing to roll randomly for attacks and skills because you can try again.
With stats, which inform class/feat choice, you get your roll and that's it. You rolled like crap? Hope you didn't like this campaign. I know people talk about the good old days where everyone was miserable and liked it, but there's no reason to subject oneself to that.
The dice still fall where they may in-game, but I get to choose who I am and what I can do before that happens.
That is why I like the way we play, roll roughly about 6 times and take the highest set average. Figure out how you like either number of adjustment bonuses (add all the +# together to find a total) or add the number of the total together (18+12+16, etc) to find the total.
I know one guy tried a digital dice roller to roll a d48 and take the number, and add that to whatever ability score you like. your stats start at 10 each and say you rolled a 48 that evens out to 18 each stat.
Heck I have played games where we played with just straight 14s not including Racial Adjustments and we had a blast. Sure it felt a little more Bleh because you don't get that thrill of a "Sweet I rolled really good on this one" feeling which is part of the game.
It didn't have to feel bleh. That's the point. The game could have been exactly the same except without the bleh, but you purposefully chose the bleh. Why would you do that?
Heck I have played games where we played with just straight 14s not including Racial Adjustments and we had a blast. Sure it felt a little more Bleh because you don't get that thrill of a "Sweet I rolled really good on this one" feeling which is part of the game.It didn't have to feel bleh. That's the point. The game could have been exactly the same except without the bleh, but you purposefully chose the bleh. Why would you do that?
It only felt bleh because of the lack of that thrill. Because when you roll well or even average it still feels like a small thrill./ I mean I could have rolled so much worse. Also it gives you RP opportunities when you roll a 9 and have to stick it somewhere. Why does it have to be a 9, well maybe your impulsive so your 9 Wisdom makes sense. So the character is effected as they would be.
You don't have to have a low wisdom to be impulsive though. You could have a bunch of great stats and a strong character build and then actually roleplay an impulsive guy.
It can Inspire ideas I did not meant it was a required use.