ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
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A forewarning before anyone comments or asks for specific archetypes and race archetypes. This is more of a forum for people to include their archetype ideas and discussing them. I am not doing archetype generation.
With that said, I thinks some of the following archetype ideas could be interesting if done right...
A jiraiya-style ninja (not the Naruto one, the classical folk tale one): being able to shapeshift into a Giant toad(or snake, or other creature) and having magical powers linked to it could be really fun, especially if you do go to Naruto levels of silly in places. Just not all the time.
A Gizmo/Gadget based alchemist: Not every alchemist is going to be a mutagen chugging mad scientist or a bomb lobbing grenadier. Some think with a technical mind and use gadgets and gizmos to control the battlefield, using an experimental freeze ray or other devises to keep his enemies where they want them.
Ciaran Barnes |
The first one does sound kind of silly, but there isn't much to discuss unless you write it up and let people see it (which you're not doing).
As for the second one, this already exists in the homebrew forum, and probably elsewhere too, probably published.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
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The first one does sound kind of silly, but there isn't much to discuss unless you write it up and let people see it (which you're not doing).
As for the second one, this already exists in the homebrew forum, and probably elsewhere too, probably published.
For the second point, I had guessed there might have been.
For the first point, Jiraiya (or Ogata shuma Hiroyuki, his real name) was a character in a series of folktales, compiled as 'the tale of the gallant Jiraiya'. In those tales, Jiraiya was a ninja who had the ability to use magic to shapeshift into a gigantic toad. In the tales, he fell in love with a woman named tsunade, who mastered slug magic. Together they battled Jiraiya's former disciple, Orochimaru(originally Yashagoro), a master of snake magic. The idea was the class would be a ninja that lost some of their ninja tricks, along with their capstone, to become a master of channeling their spirit animal(based on the zodiac+with additional animals) into granting them abilities, shape-shifting, summoning giant versions of the spirit animal, all using the ninjas Ki stat for these abilities, and there would be some spells in there too.
It seems silly, but then again most people will not expect a ninja to just barrel through the guards on the back of a giant spirit rabbit, kill the target with a shurkin(sorry for the misspell) throw, then cast haste on himself to make a very quick exit. and it can still be played serious, imagine a ninja changing into a giant snake when cornered, delivering venom, or a toad ninja simply smearing toxins released from his skin on his blade.
Drejk |
There is even a published class for a alchemist-like gadgeter.
Shapeshifting ninja? I think it's more a niche for a set of ninja tricks instead of an archetype - we already have ki-powered spell-like ability tricks for ninjas, no reason for not adding shapeshifting ones.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
Having them as ninja tricks works only to a point. The idea was more a personal/spiritual connection to their spirit animal, using their spirit energy(Ki) to draw of its power, cast magic, use its abilities, borrow its form, and then bring it into bare against their enemies. Jiraiya does not hold his pets(toads) in low regard. In one story, a snake tries to eat them and Jiraiya uses a hand cannon on it.
Derek the Ferret |
I have an idea for a blind monk archetype (which I have already constructed much of). For any of you who have played League of Legends: the archetype was inspired by Lee Sin. Here's a thread on it: Mystic of the Hidden Way
And here's the up to date doc for it (feel free to comment/suggest things): click
I am looking for feedback and suggestions for it, so if you have any input please share it.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
There is even a published class for a alchemist-like gadgeter.
Shapeshifting ninja? I think it's more a niche for a set of ninja tricks instead of an archetype - we already have ki-powered spell-like ability tricks for ninjas, no reason for not adding shapeshifting ones.
this is in addition to my previous post. The Ninja tricks spell-like abilities are mostly 'Hide', 'Evade' or 'Attack with ninja weapon'. the abilities of the ninja will depend on their spirit animal, ranging from moment and detection based abilities and spells(hare), to close combat centered claws and intimidation(tiger), to using LIGHTING, FIRE and other elemental attacks(Dragon,Toad,and several other beasts), releasing toxins from your skin(toad), Climbing on all surfaces(all while unaffected bu the terrain)(snail),WEBS(spider). These ninjas might have two pools of ki, one which is for the regular ninja stuff, the other is for using their spirit magic and abilities.
IT IS NOT JUST SHAPECHANGE. AND THE NINJA NEEDS SOME VARIATION BESIDES THE USUAL RUNNING ABOUT AND STABBING. The name might end up being along the lines of 'spirit beast shinobi', but here is the last piece of evidence.Jiraiya riding on the back of a giant frog he summoned. NOT SHAPE SHIFTED. SUMMONED!!!
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
Drejk wrote:There is even a published class for a alchemist-like gadgeter.
Shapeshifting ninja? I think it's more a niche for a set of ninja tricks instead of an archetype - we already have ki-powered spell-like ability tricks for ninjas, no reason for not adding shapeshifting ones.
this is in addition to the thing above. The Ninja tricks spell-like abilities are mostly 'Hide', 'Evade' or 'Attack with ninja weapon'. the abilities of the ninja will depend on their spirit animal, ranging from moment and detection based abilities and spells(hare), to close combat centered claws and intimidation(tiger), to using LIGHTING, FIRE and other elemental attacks(Dragon,Toad,and several other beasts), releasing toxins from your skin(toad), Climbing on all surfaces(all while unaffected bu the terrain)(snail),WEBS(spider). These ninjas might have two pools of ki, one which is for the regular ninja stuff, the other is for using their spirit magic and abilities.
IT IS NOT JUST SHAPECHANGE. AND THE NINJA NEEDS SOME VARIATION BESIDES THE USUAL RUNNING ABOUT AND STABBING. The name might end up being along the lines of 'spirit beast shinobi', but here is the last piece of evidence.Jiraiya riding on the back of a giant frog he summoned. NOT SHAPE SHIFTED. SUMMONED!!!
another image of Jiraiya Who does not take to a snake trying to eat his frogs lightly.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
I have an idea for a blind monk archetype (which I have already constructed much of). For any of you who have played League of Legends: the archetype was inspired by Lee Sin. Here's a thread on it: Mystic of the Hidden Way
And here's the up to date doc for it (feel free to comment/suggest things): click
I am looking for feedback and suggestions for it, so if you have any input please share it.
It looks good, though I am a huge fan of folklore and this kind of character could be converted into a blind swordsman archetype, which was the character in a few samurai really good samurai films.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
Another archetype I like the idea of is a barbarian/bloodrager based on the character of Cu Cuhulainn, a hero from the Irish ulster cycle and Scottish mythology and folklore. The idea behind him was that in battle, he did not just rage. He riastrad's (or warp spasms), violently transforming into a literal monster of the battle field. the rest of the details of details on this character are here so if anyone likes the idea for this character, or even wants an interesting weapon/thematic skill training npc, or just some ideas for a medium-low tech setting, they can draw from it. As an archetype, i imagine it would be more likely for a bloodrager- losing all their bloodrage spells, bloodline abilities and bloodrage for a replacement riastrad, which would dish out a lot of attacks, devastating strikes that bypass armour, Multi-target strikes, size changing, getting reach. Just becoming a more deadly rager all round.
I don't have any clear ideas as of yet but I know that feedback would be nice, and I am open to your ideas.