Precise damage is your ability to target vital areas, so you need to be able to see where those vital areas to hit them
Flanking is not a requirement of precise strike, you just need to be wielding a peircing weapon in one hand.
concealment prevents precision damage. But there is a feat to get around that.
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concealment prevents precision damage. But there is a feat to get around that.
Actually no.
Sneak attack not working against concealment is a feature of the rogue, not a feature of concealment. If you check the SRD on concealment, you'll notice there's no text that tells you precision damage is not effective. You'll only find that on the rogue's sneak attack feature.
Swashbucklers don't lose precise strike against concealment.
AND THANK GOD. If that was the case, Swashbuckler would almost be tier 6. Almost.
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Here you go:
Precision Damage:
Precision damage is a special type of damage, which might more appropriately be called a "category" of damage because any of the other damage types listed here might also be considered "precision" damage under the right circumstances. Precision damage is usually dealt by classes like the rogue when he is able to catch an opponent unable to fully protect itself. Precision damage assumes that the target has a somewhat normal anatomy or at least has a physical form which might have weak spots which could be detected or taken advantage of. Previous editions of this game limited what sorts of creatures are vulnerable to precision damage more than this one does. This was a deliberate change to make a key class feature of classes like the rogue more frequently usable. Attacks which affect areas (such as splash weapons) usually do not deal precision damage.
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concealment prevents precision damage. But there is a feat to get around that.Actually no.
Sneak attack not working against concealment is a feature of the rogue, not a feature of concealment. If you check the SRD on concealment, you'll notice there's no text that tells you precision damage is not effective. You'll only find that on the rogue's sneak attack feature.
Swashbucklers don't lose precise strike against concealment.
AND THANK GOD. If that was the case, Swashbuckler would almost be tier 6. Almost.
There's obviously some dispute on this point. I'm with NerfPlz, for the record, but that opinion isn't universal by any means.
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There's obviously some dispute on this point. I'm with NerfPlz, for the record, but that opinion isn't universal by any means.concealment prevents precision damage. But there is a feat to get around that.Actually no.
Sneak attack not working against concealment is a feature of the rogue, not a feature of concealment. If you check the SRD on concealment, you'll notice there's no text that tells you precision damage is not effective. You'll only find that on the rogue's sneak attack feature.
Swashbucklers don't lose precise strike against concealment.
AND THANK GOD. If that was the case, Swashbuckler would almost be tier 6. Almost.
Maybe people argue that it shouldn't work versus concealment through intent, but by RAW it does.
Honestly, neither class SHOULD have to worry about that. People get SO caught on realism and physics in game mechanics, they miss the big picture. Wizards will rule pathfinder until the day that we throw away this double standard and let martial classes do improbable things without getting punished.
This is the feat I was talking about. And it clearly states that it makes precision damage usable vs concealment. It just gives sneak attack as an example. As this feat is RAW it's clar that RAW you can't use precision damage against opponents with concealment without the feat.
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This is the feat I was talking about. And it clearly states that it makes precision damage usable vs concealment. It just gives sneak attack as an example. As this feat is RAW it's clar that RAW you can't use precision damage against opponents with concealment without the feat.
Lets take a look -
Benefit: You can deal precision damage, such as sneak attack damage, against targets with concealment (but not total concealment).
It says specifically "such as sneak attack damage" as an example of the type of precision damage which it helps with. So - it helps with the sort of precision damage which normally doesn't work with concealment, not necessarily with all precision damage.
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This is the feat I was talking about. And it clearly states that it makes precision damage usable vs concealment. As this feat is RAW it's clear that RAW you can't use precision damage against opponents with concealment without the feat.
The existence of the feat doesn't mean that all precision damage is negated by concealment, just that some precision damage, such as Sneak Attack, is.
The only place that states precision damage is negated by concealment is in the description of Sneak Attack, it's not mentioned at all in the definition of precision damage that BBT quoted.
RAW, Precision Damage is not affected by concealment unless the specific source of the the damage specifically states it is(such as Sneak Attack).
RAI, it may be intended for all precision damage to be negated by sneak attack, but that is not rules as written.
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Unless you have an artificial time limit, you can rest after every fight with Rope Trick, a second level spell. Having limited uses per day of an ability is meaningless when you can use you abilities every time you need them.
I enjoy playing martial far more than spell-casters. But a 20th level Fighter is less powerful than a 20th level Wizard's summoned minions.
Your examples are just proving that you don't fully appreciate the devastating amount of narrative power that a high level wizard is capable of.
Good morning:
I am directing a game with a swashbuckler and i have many doubts. Does the swashbuckler´s precise damage works as the rogue´s or other precise damages? Does it need flanking? or being denied dexterity? It is not said in the class, but I don´t really know if there is a need or not. Moreover the swashbuckler has many other deeds that allow him to do different things, but a lot of them also state that if the target is immune to precise damage is also immune to these deeds. All this deeds could be done without flanking? And can this deeds be made if the enemy has concealment? As I know concealment makes the rogue unable to sneak attack, am i right?.
Many thanks and I hope you can understand my English.
Precision damage is a class of damage. Leaving out the concealment discussion, the only thing that the swashbuckler needs is what is stated in the ability. Only specific creatures immune to precision damage prevent this. That fact is stated in the creature type description. Specifically, oozes and elementals have this statement in the creature type description "Does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks, such as sneak attack." If a creature has that in their description or creature type description, the swashbucklers ability doesnt work, otherwise, it works.
Concealment as mentioned is contentious. But flanking and being denied dex have nothing to do with the swashbuckler.
Guys, sometimes you just let stuff like this go. We've answered the question, and he's made up his mind on the rest. I think we're done here.