Why wouldn't Glitterdust shut down your invisibility? It's a heck of a lot more likely to come up than Invisibility Purge, at any rate, especially since it is one of the better 2nd level offensive spells for arcane casters.
Why did you necro this thread now that rogues don't suck anymore?There has been at least 3 topics that I found on Google that ask about how Underhanded is supposed to work. The consensus is that it's literally useless unless you take quick draw and are a Bandit.always threatening trait, lookout feat, and a cohort at level 7... this way I don't think you need Bandit... right?
When did rogues stop sucking?
Urogue helped, but the class is still kind of garbage. No longer an expert in most fights, but still kind of terra-bad. "Oh let's be good out of combat where casters dominate the narrative and then have substandard combat ability, which combat is the only reason the casters tolerate us mundanes getting a share of the loot"
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Why does the rogue have to completely mimic the fighter in a fight to be good? Why does Dexterity have to be the GOD stat in this game? It already influences initiative, a good save category, a good list of commonly used skills and can sub out on strength to hit with missile and light melee weapons. People are still complaining that rogues need it to add to damage via unchained rogue. Give me a break.
My group actually built characters with the point buy system and it actually made the characters fun. We have three fighters in the group. Two cheesed out their strength scores to start with an 18. My fighter had 13 strength because I wanted her to have a high charisma. Already one fighter raised his dexterity because he is going the guardian route and wants a huge AC. You do not need mithril armor in the game for the game to be fun. You also don't need to pile up on a single stat. So what if you don't have a 20 dex unless you are a elf or a Halfling. Not everything revolves around min-maxing a feat chain. You can be very versatile with a fighter or a rogue if you give them a chance.
Now when it comes to skills, I completely agree that most classes get hosed. The worst offenders are all classes with a +2 skill allowance. Especially the wizard, it makes no sense for them to have +2 skill points per level when they have the oldest starting age of all classes in the game. I think most classes should have 3 skill points minimum with the wizard having 5, bards, rangers and barbarians with 4 and rogues with 6 or 7.
You can be very versatile with a fighter or a rogue if you give them a chance.
Based on what standard?
Here is a fighter at various levels
That's the most "versatile" fighter I can make, and I still rate it as not nearly good enough.
You can be very versatile with a fighter or a rogue if you give them a chance.Based on what standard?
Here is a fighter at various levels
That's the most "versatile" fighter I can make, and I still rate it as not nearly good enough.
He thinks an 18 starting strength is "cheesed out". Whatever standard he uses, it probably isn't very high.
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He thinks an 18 starting strength is "cheesed out". Whatever standard he uses, it probably isn't very high.You can be very versatile with a fighter or a rogue if you give them a chance.Based on what standard?
Here is a fighter at various levels
That's the most "versatile" fighter I can make, and I still rate it as not nearly good enough.
For a first level guy using standard point buy method? I do think that is cheesing your guy out. You could make a balanced fighter and start with a 16 strength and not have to rely upon dump stats. Instead most people complain that their fighters don't get enough skill points but start with an 8 to 10 intelligence. *sigh*
For a first level guy using standard point buy method? I do think that is cheesing your guy out. You could make a balanced fighter and start with a 16 strength and not have to rely upon dump stats. Instead most people complain that their fighters don't get enough skill points but start with an 8 to 10 intelligence. *sigh*He thinks an 18 starting strength is "cheesed out". Whatever standard he uses, it probably isn't very high.You can be very versatile with a fighter or a rogue if you give them a chance.Based on what standard?
Here is a fighter at various levels
That's the most "versatile" fighter I can make, and I still rate it as not nearly good enough.
The fighter I linked ends up with 10 effective skill ranks per level 16 int and started with 18 strength all in a standard point buy.
10 int is not dumping. Dumping is 7 int.