the knives are out at the whitehouse thanksgiving


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uh oh! Here comes trouble...

Some how I think they were hoping to kill and eat the turkey. Instead we are treated to daddy chose wrong icicles.

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Ha! had no idea this moronic tradition existed until now. Honestly, I can relate to the daughters here. Just because your father is president doesn't mean you have to pet whoever the hell he decided to pardon.


The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

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Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your [i]president's[i] time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...


Yeah, but at this point, though it's only ~25 years old, changing the tradition would be a huge political act generating all sorts of attacks and analysis. Yet another reason to call Obama unAmerican. Not really the kind of thing you want to spend political capital on.
Even if it's stupid, it's basically a harmless photo-op.


LOL teens.


Lord Snow wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your president's time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...

Turkey's are just dumber cockroaches with feathers. Delicious, delicious cockroaches {drools}


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Wolfie, KC's #2 Buddy wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your president's time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...

Turkey's are just dumber cockroaches with feathers. Delicious, delicious cockroaches {drools}

As an ethical murderhobo, I eat what I kill. {bastes Wolfy in clarified butter and white wine reduction, flips page on "The Joy of Cooking" by H. Lecter}


Lord Snow wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your [i]president's[i] time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...

Its no different than with beef/chicken/pork/etc. These animals are bred exactly for this purpose. If anything, turkeys have it easier than the others. Plenty of people only eat turkey on Thanksgiving. How many cows do you think are slaughtered every year for McDonald's alone?


Ivan Rûski wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your [i]president's[i] time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...

Its no different than with beef/chicken/pork/etc. These animals are bred exactly for this purpose. If anything, turkeys have it easier than the others. Plenty of people only eat turkey on Thanksgiving. How many cows do you think are slaughtered every year for McDonald's alone?

From a humane treatment standpoint turkeys and chickens have it pretty bad. The only animals which are routinely treated worse than turkey's are pigs. Unless you specifically go about finding open farm pigs, it is 100% guaranteed that pork/bacon/ham you are eating was tortured extensively before and during slaughter.

Cows actually have some of the best living conditions and about the most humane slaughter circumstances. Not that they are particularly good, but they are far superior to birds and pigs.


So the kind of people who seek work in slaughter houses are sadistic a-holes. Big surprise.


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Ivan Rûski wrote:
So the kind of people who seek work in slaughter houses are sadistic a-holes. Big surprise.

There is actually a non-trivial amount of research that suggests working in those environments turns you into an a!*@+%+.


BigDTBone wrote:
Ivan Rûski wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
The tradition is both old and new. Turkeys, for either Christmas or Thanksgiving, have long been spared and sent to farms or zoos, but GHW Bush in 1989 is the first to "pardon" the actual birds in 1989.

I mean... how ,any turkeys are eaten in a single thanksgiving each year? it has to count in the millions.

Despite my flirtation with vegetarianism, I was never the martial, sound-the-battle-drums type about it. However, the president taking his time to "pardon" a single bird just points a giant, glaring neon sign to the million that are killed.

At first I thought the tradition is just flat out weird, but as the hours pass I think I start to find it horrible. If you are aware enough of your actions to take your time (your [i]president's[i] time) to spare the life of one, you must also be aware of the ramifications of killing the others...

Its no different than with beef/chicken/pork/etc. These animals are bred exactly for this purpose. If anything, turkeys have it easier than the others. Plenty of people only eat turkey on Thanksgiving. How many cows do you think are slaughtered every year for McDonald's alone?

From a humane treatment standpoint turkeys and chickens have it pretty bad. The only animals which are routinely treated worse than turkey's are pigs. Unless you specifically go about finding open farm pigs, it is 100% guaranteed that pork/bacon/ham you are eating was tortured extensively before and during slaughter.

Cows actually have some of the best living conditions and about the most humane slaughter circumstances. Not that they are particularly good, but they are far superior to birds and pigs.

Actually the ducks and geese used to make foie gras have it the worst, because they are fed a diet that makes their liver huge and fatty.

Ivan Rûski wrote:


Its no different than with beef/chicken/pork/etc. These animals are bred exactly for this purpose. If anything, turkeys have it easier than the others. Plenty of people only eat turkey on Thanksgiving. How many cows do you think are slaughtered every year for McDonald's alone?

One?

The turkeys that are spared, generally live only about a year or two, they were bred to grow big fast then die.


Vod Canockers wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:

From a humane treatment standpoint turkeys and chickens have it pretty bad. The only animals which are routinely treated worse than turkey's are pigs. Unless you specifically go about finding open farm pigs, it is 100% guaranteed that pork/bacon/ham you are eating was tortured extensively before and during slaughter.

Cows actually have some of the best living conditions and about the most humane slaughter circumstances. Not that they are particularly good, but they are far superior to birds and pigs.

Actually the ducks and geese used to make foie gras have it the worst, because they are fed a diet that makes their liver huge and fatty.

No argument that ducks and geese have it really bad. They have feeding rods stuffed into their mouths several times a day to ensure they consume the insane amount of grain required to cause their livers to enlarge to 10x their normal size.

But pigs have it worse. When they aren't locked in a cage that is narrower than them preventing them from turning around, or even laying down all the way to the point that they literally go insane; or when they are injected with hormones to reset their reproductive systems so they can can be inseminated as quickly as possible; the people who work in those places are outright torturing them.

Spoilered - because, seriously, you don't want to read this on accident. In fact, you really don't want to read this at all.

Excerpt from Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer:
Undercover investigations by dedicated nonprofit organizations are one of the only meaningful windows the public has into the imperfect day-to-day running of factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses. At an industrial pig-breeding facility in North Carolina, videotape taken by undercover investigators showed some workers administering daily beatings, bludgeoning pregnant sows with a wrench, and ramming an iron pole a foot deep into mother pigs’ rectums and vaginas. These things have nothing to do with bettering the taste of the resultant meat or preparing the pigs for slaughter — they are merely perversion. In other videotaped instances at the farm, workers sawed off pigs’ legs and skinned them while they were still conscious. At another facility operated by one of the largest pork producers in the United States, some employees were videotaped throwing, beating, and kicking pigs; slamming them against concrete floors and bludgeoning them with metal gate rods and hammers. At another farm, a yearlong investigation found systematic abuse of tens of thousands of pigs. The investigation documented workers extinguishing cigarettes on the animals’ bodies, beating them with rakes and shovels, strangling them, and throwing them into manure pits to drown. Workers also stuck electric prods in pigs’ ears, mouths, vaginas, and anuses. The investigation concluded that managers condoned these abuses, but authorities have refused to prosecute. Lack of prosecution is the norm, not the exception. We are not in a period of “lax” enforcement — there simply never has been a time when companies could expect serious punitive action if they were caught abusing farmed animals.


I love eating meat.

That said, the animal is giving its life so I can eat - it should live in luxury beforehand.


Kind of like the person giving the wallet to the pick pocket.

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