Moving through multiple threatened squres from an opponent with Combat Reflexes


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Grand Lodge

So, maybe it was a bad assumption left in me from an old GM that didn't know any better, but I always thought that if you were to move through multiple squares threatened by an opponent with Combat Reflexes in one round, that opponent would get to make an attack of opportunity for each square you move through (up to 1+Dex mod). Indeed, I see many people with polearm-wielding builds who get enlarge person cast on them to and use Combat Reflexes towreck enemies with attacks of opportunities using these tactics. In fact, I remember playing with a friend who used his Mobility monk to cause enemies to "use up" their attacks of opportunity by literally running around them in circles intentionally.

However, I just noticed this on page 180 of the Core Rulebook:

Combat chapter; Attacks of Opportunity; Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity wrote:

If you have the Combat Ref lexes feat, you can add your Dexterity modifier to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make

more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity). Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.

Notice the parts made bold by me. Reading these, it seems like the tactics I mentioned above aren't actually possible by the rules. You could still make multiple AoOs if, say, that opponent moved out of a threatened square into another threatened square, then cast a ranged touch attack spell. 3 AoOs right there, one for movement, one for spellcasting, and one for making a ranged attack.


You are right. Everything in your first paragraph is a houserule. In your last paragraph you have it correct.

Grand Lodge

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Wow, though I think in this case "house rule" is a polite way of saying "the GM didn't read the rules and instead chose to implant misinformation that would carry into my own GMing days." :p

Grand Lodge

By the way, that enlarged polearm wielder should be tripping, rather than just bashing.

Trip on movement provoke.
Bash or disarm on standing up provoke
Bash when trying to pick up weapon provoke.

Not to mention possible provoke given by having Greater Trip for the trip attack.

TL;DR: Never, ever charge an opponent with greater reach than you have.


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Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.

Please keep in mind that every 'Move' action provokes an AoO. So if you use two move actions to circles around and enemy you provoke two AoO, one for each move action.

Grand Lodge

Interesting, however the rules-lawyer in me wants to question if that's true given the statement you yourself quoted.


I think the "Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent." is going to get the trump here since it is a specific rule. Move actions provoking is a more general rule.

Grand Lodge

kinevon wrote:
Never, ever charge an opponent with greater reach than you have.

The line of Charging Barbarians learned this the hard way with my Whipmaster Tripping build.

Liberty's Edge

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Eridan wrote:
Quote:
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.
Please keep in mind that every 'Move' action provokes an AoO. So if you use two move actions to circles around and enemy you provoke two AoO, one for each move action.

AoOs are provoked by opportunity. There is no relationship between the number of AoOs and actions. A single action can provoke multiple times (cast a ranged attack spell, full attack with ranged weapon, etc.), and movement only provokes once. Read the text in the first post.

Liberty's Edge

Eridan wrote:
Quote:
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.
Please keep in mind that every 'Move' action provokes an AoO. So if you use two move actions to circles around and enemy you provoke two AoO, one for each move action.
PRD wrote:
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent.

This seem to disagree with you. It speak of "the same round", not "the same action".

Silver Crusade

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Move actions are not what provokes. It depends on what the specific move(-equivalent) action is. There is a column on the Actions In Combat tables which lets you know if a particular move action provokes.

Moving provokes. Even a charge or a run action, which are not move actions, provoke, because they involve actual movement.

A double move would not provoke two AoOs just because you used two move actions.

The Exchange

don't forget when you enlarge you lose 2 Dex and therefore 1 AoO.


The OP talking about a monk drawing AoO's on purpose makes me wonder- if you have a feat like improved unarmed (or Improved Trip, etc), can you choose not to use it in order to provoke AoO's? If so, would you deal less damage/be unable to do lethal damage with your unarmed strike/lose your bonus on the combat maneuver check (because you aren't using the feat that denies the AoO, and it also gives said bonus)?

Silver Crusade

You don't have to use your feats if you don't want to, so you can ignore your Improved Trip feat. You also lose the other benefits of that feat for that attack.

The opponent can always choose not to use his AoO on that particular opportunity.

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