Does the Vicious Weapon Enchantment's damage bypass DR?


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Removed posts and their replies. Accusations of cheating are a bit extreme, and has been pointed out, there are points of clarification that are required. Hit the FAQ link to get this added to the queue, and be civil to each other, thanks.

Grand Lodge

I never accused anyone of cheating. I said it's cheating to do stuff that's illegal and that just because it's written into pfs material doesn't mean it's legal. I never said one way or the other my stance on the matter of specifically if vicious bypasses DR.


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Let's try this from the top.

There's three possibilities that I see here as to what happen.

1: It's 'energy damage' of some weird type, let's call it 'vicious energy'. Applies separately, no defence.
2: It's just normal hitting damage, the same type as the +1 is on a magic weapon. DR applies against it separately, so your d12 vicious axe does d12+1 against DR, then another 2d6 against the same DR. Same with the d6 against you. None multiplied on a crit because it's bonus dice and those never multiply, ever, not even if you bribe the GM.
3: It's just normal hitting damage and added to the roll before DR applies. Still not multiplied on a crit.

I'd like to see it as 3 because I'm working on leveling up an invulnerable rager barbarian and it makes sense that DR doesn't apply twice. And of course if my GM says otherwise it's his game. Are we anywhere near a consensus, or do I need to find the right FAQ button to mash?


And just found out it's in the FAQ already.

'In other words, DR doesn't protect against "typeless damage" from magical attacks.'

So much for shrugging off the backlash.

Sczarni

I'm not quite sure that's an accurate interpretation of the FAQ.

It was addressing spells.

If we twist the FAQ like that, then damage from Arcane Strike would bypass DR as well.


Nefreet wrote:

I'm not quite sure that's an accurate interpretation of the FAQ.

It was addressing spells.

If we twist the FAQ like that, then damage from Arcane Strike would bypass DR as well.

I think I see where you're coming from--Vicious says it deals 'an extra ... ' bunch of damage. Arcane Strike just puts it as a plain +1 (and more). Maybe we do need a FAQ (I did hit the button); I'd love to show this off and plant it on a weapon just because.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

How the damage effects the wielder, should effect enemies damaged, in the same way.

Meaning, what protections are bypassed when damaging the wielder, should be bypassed against the creatures it is used to damage.

It shouldn't be more effective against the wielder.

Wasn't this in 3.5? I specifically remember having a CG Elf Warlock using this alongside his Eldritch Blasts...

Edited

Why yes it was!

d20srd.com says wrote:

Vicious

When a vicious weapon strikes an opponent, it creates a flash of disruptive energy that resonates between the opponent and the wielder. This energy deals an extra 2d6 points of damage to the opponent and 1d6 points of damage to the wielder. Only melee weapons can be vicious.

Moderate necromancy; CL 9th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, enervation; Price +1 bonus.

Maybe it was my GM, but my Warlock had DR and my vicious weapon didn't bypass my own DR.

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