Taking 10


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Bandw2 wrote:
I was simpyl supplying info that the DC to milk cow may be higher than we think and thus taking 10 might not be advisable unless your specalize.

What's the DC to get chocolate milk?

/cevah


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so the thread says I had 6 new posts, but I read 3. Also it says there's 405 posts in the thread but this page only has 3 on it. I'm scared.


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Bandw2 wrote:
so the thread says I had 6 new posts, but I read 3. Also it says there's 405 posts in the thread but this page only has 3 on it. I'm scared.

If you want to see scary, wait till you see a thread page with only 3 or 4 posts on it. That wasn't the last page of the thread.


People obviously were prevented from taking 10 on their forum etiquette roll.


There are sometimes pages with NO posts.


Yeah some guy got his post deleted and made a post a bout it then it got deleted so he copy/pasted that same post into every thread on the rules forum page 1 yesterday.


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I missed that? sigh


Talonhawke wrote:
Yeah some guy got his post deleted and made a post a bout it then it got deleted so he copy/pasted that same post into every thread on the rules forum page 1 yesterday.

The moderation here is really bad. They try, but they have the wrong tools. The tools that actually work on other forums are infraction warnings and editing out really objectionable content. Deleting is pretty near never the right solution for a post made by an actual human. Even reducing the post to nothing but an infraction warning if it's all highly objectionable works better because it doesn't give the impression that stuff disappears for arbitrary reasons. Not appearing arbitrary is a lot more important than actually not being arbitrary.

Complaining through official channels that aren't visible is emotionally no different from posting to /dev/null so of course people who are upset don't do it. Deleting complaints just furthers the impression that moderation is for silencing dissent not keeping the board civil. Now you have an upset person with a persecution complex. And cue vengeance spamposting.

A more normal moderation policy backed by tools with a little more flexibility would probably have prevented that sort of problem.

Silver Crusade

Atarlost wrote:
Talonhawke wrote:
Yeah some guy got his post deleted and made a post a bout it then it got deleted so he copy/pasted that same post into every thread on the rules forum page 1 yesterday.

The moderation here is really bad. They try, but they have the wrong tools. The tools that actually work on other forums are infraction warnings and editing out really objectionable content. Deleting is pretty near never the right solution for a post made by an actual human. Even reducing the post to nothing but an infraction warning if it's all highly objectionable works better because it doesn't give the impression that stuff disappears for arbitrary reasons. Not appearing arbitrary is a lot more important than actually not being arbitrary.

Complaining through official channels that aren't visible is emotionally no different from posting to /dev/null so of course people who are upset don't do it. Deleting complaints just furthers the impression that moderation is for silencing dissent not keeping the board civil. Now you have an upset person with a persecution complex. And cue vengeance spamposting.

A more normal moderation policy backed by tools with a little more flexibility would probably have prevented that sort of problem.

You obviously don't pay much attention to these boards then. Anytime a post is removed the Mods not only say that it was removed but also why, and for other threads that are starting to escalate they do tend to drop and give a warning beforehand. I love the Mods here and it's one of the reasons I love this site so much.


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The mods have also stated that policy is to either delete the entire comment or leave it. They cannot simply edit our posts without removing the entire thing.

Liberty's Edge

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Atarlost wrote:
Talonhawke wrote:
Yeah some guy got his post deleted and made a post a bout it then it got deleted so he copy/pasted that same post into every thread on the rules forum page 1 yesterday.
A more normal moderation policy backed by tools with a little more flexibility would probably have prevented that sort of problem.

Or, you know, if people could just refrain from throwing temper tantrums. That'd work too.

Grand Lodge

Atarlost wrote:

...

The moderation here is really bad. ...

hahaha, this one was fun !

nothing better than a good joke to keep everyone in a good mood and quiet/temperate temper when there are risks of derailing.

thanks for the joke. (it was a joke, isn't it ? seriously ?)


The channels are visible you can always post on the website feedback forum if you keep it civil. But complaining about how the boards are moderated then having said post deleted and explained the proper way to handle it, does not justify posting the deleted comment in every thread you can find.


I remember a rules thread that was getting pretty heated and I posted a very civil comment that said "Alright this argument isn't going anywhere, let's agree to disagree and step away from the keyboard". That was the entire post. I did not quote other posts. It was deleted. When I tried to ask why the thread was locked.


I do disagree with that. The staff here are very good about listening to community feedback. I am very hopeful that with enough dialogue about this topic that there will be a change in procedure for moderation. I don't blame the people in charge, I blame the procedures. It's the current guidelines and rules for moderation. The people themselves are empathetic and reasonable (and I would also argue intelligent), but at the moment they are slaves to bad procedures. If we can change what the guidelines are for moderation, I'm sure the people in charge of it would have no problem adapting.


CampinCarl9127 wrote:
I remember a rules thread that was getting pretty heated and I posted a very civil comment that said "Alright this argument isn't going anywhere, let's agree to disagree and step away from the keyboard". That was the entire post. I did not quote other posts. It was deleted. When I tried to ask why the thread was locked.

I noticed they delete ALL responses to an argument even ones that don't quote it and merely tangentially comment on the argument like asking to agree to disagree.


While we're at it lets make nested spoilers a thing. I would absolutely love that feature to exist.


spoiler:
[spoiler=nested spoiler]See! Nested spoilers don't work.
[/spoiler]

Sovereign Court

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You can nest spoiler tags, guys.

Top Level:

Spoiler:
Hidden text!

Silver Crusade

Ooooo!!!!

How?


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Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!!!!

How?

I figured it out.

Try this:

(spoiler=s1)(list)(spoiler)sup peeps(/spoiler)(/list)(/spoiler)
List is used because it doesn't have any major side effects if you aren't sticking in *s, but you could use bold or something if you really wanted to.

EDIT: Its more of a bug than a feature, but whatever.

Silver Crusade

Ah, nice! Thankies :3


I'd actually thought you could, but it didn't work when I tried it.

This Works:

Spoiler:
You need to tag one of the spoilers

Spoiler:

So Does This:
But not the other

But This:

[spoiler=Doesn't]See

[/spoiler]

Spoiler:

[spoiler]Nor Does This

[/spoiler]

No way that's intended or even just not implemented. Straight up bug.

Testing Snowblind's theory

Spoiler:
    [spoiler]Nope. Doesn't work. You just happened to hit the actual workaround while trying it.
[/spoiler]


hi:
    Spoiler:
    works for me

Set your first spoiler to something with =. Won't work otherwise, as I just found out.
EDIT: Wait, didn't open all those spoilers, so I didn't realize you already figured this out.

EDIT2: Oh, so the (list) thing isn't even necessary. I must have added that at the same time as I changed the spoiler tags to something that worked.

Definitely a bug.


Snowblind wrote:

** spoiler omitted **[/list][/spoiler]

Set your first spoiler to something with =. Won't work otherwise, as I just found out.
EDIT: Wait, didn't open all those spoilers, so I didn't realize you already figured this out.

Yeah, I thought afterwards about spelling it out outside of the spoilers, but ...

The inner tags, (list) or whatever, aren't actually needed, just to be clear. The trick is having one spoiler tagged with ="" and not the other one.


That is awesome, but I still haven't figured it out. Could somebody post the formatting with spaces to show how it works?


CampinCarl9127 wrote:
That is awesome, but I still haven't figured it out. Could somebody post the formatting with spaces to show how it works?

These work

(spoiler=A)(spoiler)Text(/spoiler)(/spoiler)
or
(spoiler)(spoiler=A)Text(/spoiler)(/spoiler)

You need to give one of the spoiler tags a name.


Of course this raises a question:

Spoiler:
A:
[spoiler]Well?
[/spoiler]

A:
Spoiler:
[spoiler]Well?
[/spoiler]

A:
[spoiler=A]
Spoiler:
Well?
[/spoiler]

A:
Spoiler:
[spoiler=B]Well?
[/spoiler]

Haven't tried all the combinations, but I don't think you can do 3.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Can you have multiple children?:

Let's find out.

Spoiler:
Child A

And

Spoiler:
Child B

It works!

Two levels is plenty, especially with multiple children allowed.

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