Can a brawler take Improved Natural Attack to his unarmed strikes? plus bonus question


Rules Questions


Pretty straightforward question. In the description of the brawlers unarmed strike it states:
"A brawler's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that modify either manufactured weapons or natural weapons."

So i was wondering if that enables the brawler to take improved natural attack with his unarmed strikes.

Also bonus question, if a brawler takes lvls on the monk class for whatever reason, does that levels count toward the unarmed strike improvement in damage?
Let's say you are monk2/brawler3, your unarmed strikes do 1d6 or 1d8?(assuming medium size) i think that it doesn't stack up but maybe i am missing something.

Shadow Lodge

The brawler, like the monk, cannot take Improved Natural Attack with UAS.

Hybrid Classes wrote:
Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don't stack unless specified.

Improved UAS damage does not say it stacks, so it does not stack.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Improved Natural Attack has a prerequisite of Natural Weapon.

A prerequisite is not a spell or effect. However, the brawler's unarmed strike is affected by spells or the effect of feats that improve or modify natural attacks.


Just as i guessed, thanks for confirming it


SlimGauge wrote:

Improved Natural Attack has a prerequisite of Natural Weapon.

A prerequisite is not a spell or effect.

Actually it is (That's why Half-Orcs/Elves can take Human racial FCBs and Feats, since they're treated as Human for the purposes of spells and effects that rely on that).

The reason INA doesn't work on Unarmed Strikes is because it says so.

Improved Natural Attack wrote:
Choose one of the creature's natural attack forms (not an unarmed strike).

Lantern Lodge

Rynjin wrote:

The reason INA doesn't work on Unarmed Strikes is because it says so.

Improved Natural Attack wrote:
Choose one of the creature's natural attack forms (not an unarmed strike).

True. However, Feral combat training allows you to use it as part of flurry but not as an extra attack

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