Some back story, my players lost 2 party members to a necromancer Lich,and left the dungeon to get 2 new party members and try again. Instead of giving the Lich the minions they killed back, I was going to have him use Create Undead on them, to make the party fight their failure.
So here are my questions:
1. If I make the paladin that died a Skeletal champion, would he automatically shift from LG to LE due to the template?
2. He is intelligent, and has his former personality right?
3. If he is willing could use atonement to move his alignment to CE?
4. Does he actually have to be willing for that, or can I use command undead to make him?
5. If enough of this is true with enough time he could become an anti paladin?
It's up to you, but using an example from the "Ashes at Dawn" module from Carrion Crown, which features...
...plus undead of varying alignments other than their listed Bestiary stats, it would go like this:
1. Yes.
2. Mostly. He is after all an intelligent undead, and most of his former personality would be subsumed by his new, evil nature. As a former paladin, he might have some remorse about falling and his new form.
3. RAW, yes, as long as the caster is CE.
4. Yes, you have to be willing. Says so in the atonement spell description. No amount of magical or mundane compulsion can say otherwise.
5. Sure. He can cash in those former paladin levels for antipaladin.
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4. Yes, you have to be willing. Says so in the atonement spell description. No amount of magical or mundane compulsion can say otherwise.
It should be noted that no amount of COMPULSION can say otherwise, so he can't be intimidated into 'atoning.' However, the master that reanimated him could use Diplomacy (or Bluff) into steering him in that direction. Given that he is now evil, and his friends abandoned him, it probably wouldn't be that hard. Just say "I can give you great power, but you must be willing to accept it."
It should be noted that no amount of COMPULSION can say otherwise, so he can't be intimidated into 'atoning.' However, the master that reanimated him could use Diplomacy (or Bluff) into steering him in that direction. Given that he is now evil, and his friends abandoned him, it probably wouldn't be that hard. Just say "I can give you great power, but you must be willing to accept it."4. Yes, you have to be willing. Says so in the atonement spell description. No amount of magical or mundane compulsion can say otherwise.
I was just thinking about that. Thank you.
Thanks, I'll think on it and decide what to do. One more question, how do I determine if an undead keeps his class levels or not when I create him? Skeletons and Zombies say they lose them, but no other undead say that. So can all other undead keep class levels? Is it all intelligent undead keep class levels?
Thanks, I'll think on it and decide what to do. One more question, how do I determine if an undead keeps his class levels or not when I create him? Skeletons and Zombies say they lose them, but no other undead say that. So can all other undead keep class levels? Is it all intelligent undead keep class levels?
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General rule of thumb is that intelligent undead can take class levels. Zombies and skeletons by themselves typically cannot, but skeletal champions (And their zombie counterpart, the zombie lord), being intelligent, can. Wights are intelligent, so there you have it.
Thanks, I'll think on it and decide what to do. One more question, how do I determine if an undead keeps his class levels or not when I create him? Skeletons and Zombies say they lose them, but no other undead say that. So can all other undead keep class levels? Is it all intelligent undead keep class levels?
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You have to look at the individual undead.
For example, the wights Create Spawn ability says they do not posses the abilities they had in life. (In other words, they lose all of their class abilities and become normal wights.) Same for ghouls and wraiths.
On the other hand, ghosts retain their class abilities, as do lichs and normal vampires.
Though it's true a character or creature often loses their abilities upon transforming, there is nothing stopping the resulting undead from progressing in new class levels thereafter.