My group and I are having a debate on this, and I completely believe I am the one who is correct, so please enlighten me if I am not:
The half-elf reads as follows:Multitalented
Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes. See Classes for more information about favored classes.
The way that reads to me, is that the half elf gets 2 classes he can pick a favored bonus is, and can select that bonus at every level, and also gets either a hip point, or a skill point on top of that. Alternatively he could choice HP or skill point in both his classes and so long as he stayed within both classes while leveling, he would end up with one of each at every level. Am I wrong? Or is that not exactly how that reads?
Most characters get one favored class. The Half-Elf selects two favored classes.
At each level, you only take one class, and if it's a favored class, you get your favored class bonus (+1 hit point or +1 skill point).
For example, Half-Elf Billy takes Wizard and Fighter as his favored classes. Then he proceeds to live his life and takes the following progression:
Level 1: Fighter
Level 2: Wizard
Level 3: Wizard
Level 4: Fighter
Level 5: Wizard
Level 6: Wizard
Level 7: Eldritch Knight
Over the course of these 7 levels, he would receive 6 favored class bonuses. He could have taken 6 hit points OR 6 skill points OR some combination of hit point and skill points totaling 6 (1 per level in which he took a favored class). Note that he does not get a favored class bonus for Eldritch Knight as that is not a favored class.
By way of comparison, Human Mandy has only one favored class and selects Wizard. If she took the same progression, she would only have gotten 4 hit points OR 4 skill points OR a combination of the two adding up to 4.
Hope this helps.
A half-elf can select two, different, classes as Favored Classes.
Whenever he selects one of those two classes on a new level he can choose a favored class bonus.
This could be +1 Hit Point or +1 Skill Point, for Core Rulebook only. Or whatever favored class bonus may apply to the chosen class based on later published books.
Shimesen wrote: The way that reads to me, is that the half elf gets 2 classes he can pick a favored bonus is, and can select that bonus at every level, and also gets either a hip point, or a skill point on top of that. Not double. When you level up, if the level you acquire is one of your two favored classes, you may select a favored class bonus.
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pens and pencils.
2. added to; plus:
2 and 2 are 4.
3. then:
He read for an hour and went to bed.
4. also, at the same time:
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You are parsing the line based on definition 1: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and (in addition) gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes. See Classes for more information about favored classes.
While this is a logical parsing of the sentence, it isn't the only one. Notably, you could equally use definition 4: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and (at the same time) gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes. See Classes for more information about favored classes.
But precedent from other abilities indicates that they never intend to leave "in addition" implied; it is most frequently stated explicitly in the form of "and, in addition, <...>" or "additionally" or some variant thereof. Therefore, what it is really saying is, "you get two favored class bonuses and, as a result of having two favored class bonuses, gain +1 hp or +1 sp whenever they take a level in either one of those classes," rather than "you get two favored class bonuses and, in addition, gain +1 hp or +1 sp on top of the normal favored class bonus whenever taking a level in one of your favored classes.
OK, so simply put: its bad grammar on behalf of the writers....too easy. I apologize for my California education. ;)
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Shimesen wrote: OK, so simply put: its bad grammar on behalf of the writers....too easy. I apologize for my California education. ;) It isn't that either. It's correct and good grammar, just a ridiculous presumption to make. All language includes a certain amount of implicit meaning; there's no such thing as a 100% explicit statement. In fact, certain grammatical constructions have implicitness built in such as the Imperative statement; the 'you' as subject is implied when you say, "(You) Roll 1d20 plus attack modifiers." Neither they nor we would want the CRB to be five billion pages long and weigh tons so they use normal, standard presumptions and implicit language where, if describing a certain rules element and they state exactly what that rules element does, the "and" implies consequent rather than addition because that's something a rational mind can figure out for themselves. Addition is explicit because it is more cognitively significant and has greater bearing on how the rules work. If they leave out "additionally", the worst that happens is that players don't get an "additionally" when they should. But if the presumption is additionally and they leave out the "not additionally" then players get a bonus they were never supposed to be entitled to in the first place and it is a greater risk to the overall game balance. The problem is in a significant understanding of grammar without a corresponding level of logical capacity.
Kazaan wrote: The problem is in a significant understanding of grammar without a corresponding level of logical capacity. Dude, he already said he was a Californian. There should be an implicit understanding of our educational level in such a statement.
Nefreet wrote: Kazaan wrote: The problem is in a significant understanding of grammar without a corresponding level of logical capacity. Dude, he already said he was a Californian. There should be an implicit understanding of our educational level in such a statement. That's why I typed it out slowly so you guys could keep up ^-^
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