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Why don't you look at the char and tell me where he is lacking?If your saves are that high on a fighter, you're going to be really lacking in more important areas. There are other, much cheaper defenses to debilitating affects.Said Fighter's saves
Fort: 28
Ref : 21
Will : 20There are very few creatures that can reliably dominate this fighter. The only thing that I think can is an optimized PC caster. A caster that specialized in enchantment...
Idk, seems unlikely.
Well let's just say that your attack and damage, when fully buffed, is what I'm used to on a level 12 barbarian.
Well let's just say that your attack and damage, when fully buffed, is what I'm used to on a level 12 barbarian.Why don't you look at the char and tell me where he is lacking?If your saves are that high on a fighter, you're going to be really lacking in more important areas. There are other, much cheaper defenses to debilitating affects.Said Fighter's saves
Fort: 28
Ref : 21
Will : 20There are very few creatures that can reliably dominate this fighter. The only thing that I think can is an optimized PC caster. A caster that specialized in enchantment...
Idk, seems unlikely.
OK? I'm fairly sure the lvl 12 version of this build when fully buffed could also do just as much damage.
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Well let's just say that your attack and damage, when fully buffed, is what I'm used to on a level 12 barbarian.Why don't you look at the char and tell me where he is lacking?If your saves are that high on a fighter, you're going to be really lacking in more important areas. There are other, much cheaper defenses to debilitating affects.Said Fighter's saves
Fort: 28
Ref : 21
Will : 20There are very few creatures that can reliably dominate this fighter. The only thing that I think can is an optimized PC caster. A caster that specialized in enchantment...
Idk, seems unlikely.
OK? I'm fairly sure the lvl 12 version of this build when fully buffed could also do just as much damage.
Damage? It would be lower, but not significantly so. Attack? That would suffer greatly just from the reduction in gold and BAB alone.
Damage? It would be lower, but not significantly so. Attack? That would suffer greatly just from the reduction in gold and BAB alone.Well let's just say that your attack and damage, when fully buffed, is what I'm used to on a level 12 barbarian.Why don't you look at the char and tell me where he is lacking?If your saves are that high on a fighter, you're going to be really lacking in more important areas. There are other, much cheaper defenses to debilitating affects.Said Fighter's saves
Fort: 28
Ref : 21
Will : 20There are very few creatures that can reliably dominate this fighter. The only thing that I think can is an optimized PC caster. A caster that specialized in enchantment...
Idk, seems unlikely.
OK? I'm fairly sure the lvl 12 version of this build when fully buffed could also do just as much damage.
Yes but you are talking about being fully buffed. When the casters start lobbing buffs your way the numbers can get very high.
Doesn't make a difference, the theoretical barbarian and your mutagen warrior are getting the same buffs. If anything your guy MIGHT be lower since he might have some abilities that don't stack. I'm too lazy to check bec*post trails off*
He only has alchemical, feat, and enhancement. Barbarians have morale bonuses. But furyborn courageous weapons (a +4, doable with some WBL redistribution), will make Heroism have a pretty high bonus, not to mention rage bonuses would increase too.
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Yes but you are talking about being fully buffed. When the casters start lobbing buffs your way the numbers can get very high.
No, I'm not. I said when YOU'RE fully buffed. Barbarians don't need anything but rage to beat those numbers. I was giving you the benefit of buffs to reduce your arguments. The fact is that you often won't have time to buff, and will be that much weaker in comparison.
Yes but you are talking about being fully buffed. When the casters start lobbing buffs your way the numbers can get very high.No, I'm not. I said when YOU'RE fully buffed. Barbarians don't need anything but rage to beat those numbers. I was giving you the benefit of buffs to reduce your arguments. The fact is that you often won't have time to buff, and will be that much weaker in comparison.
Are you talking about the mutagen that last for 2 hours or the feats you can grab as a move action?
Cause just the mutagen keeps this build up with most fighters, and Martial flexibility keeps it up with Weapon Focus fighters or fighters that move WBL around to include gloves or dueling. Fighters that do both though would be able to edge out DPR, but at what cost?
Idk, I haven't really heard about people complaining about fighter DPR being too low, and that is what I measured this fighter against.
EDIT: Oh, I see. You are saying their DPR is about equal, but you were thinking that the "buff time" is a huge limiting factor. OK.