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Here is the feat:
Though hordes stand against you, they rarely stand long.
Prerequisites: Improved Bull Rush, worshiper of Rovagug.
Benefit: When you bull rush a creature and your check exceeds the target’s CMD by 5 or more, you deal damage equal to your Strength modifier to that target.
Now, what kind of damage is being dealt?
Is it untyped?
Is it subject to DR?
What feats/abilities/spells apply to the damage?
I'd rule it as physical bludgeoning too, it seems obviously a meaty body slam. I'd probably treat it as unarmed strike for how it interacts with feats (albeit, any that increase 'to hit' probably won't affect your CMB for the bullrush).
If you can bull rush them you can damage them. I'm pretty sure you can't ordinarily bull rush incorporeal foes though.
I would personally rule that it's the same type of damage as whatever it is you're using in the first place.
I would go with bludgeoning,and since it is physical damage it is subject to DR.
Honestly this is ability is just not written well. I just went with bludgeoning because I see it as a shoulder tackle/check.
Common sense should tell you that you can safely treat it as weapon damage if you are physically shoulder charging them. What else could it be? For spells where you are using an ability that could cause them to deal damage when they ordinarily wouldn't, as long as it's a 'bludgeoning effect' like hydraulic push/telekinesis, same applies.
Well, you can also Bull Rush with spells like Hydraulic Push, and Telekinesis.
Also, I am still not sure how to handle DR.
It's not weapon damage, and it's not spell damage.
If you are shoulder blocking someone then it some impact is made so I think DR should apply IMO. From what I remember about DR it works unless there is spell damage. Falling damage is untyped, and I think it works on that also.
Treating it as weapon damage changes how feats/spells/abilities treat it.
It really has to carefully considered.
Maybe i wasn't clear, If it's through a spell treat it as bludgeoning damage. Spells that deal a 'physical' damage type don't become weapons, but do interact with DR in the same way.
The rules already deal with how spells deal with DR and that is clarifiedherethere is no potential difficulty that I can see.
Seems like it just adds physical damage, no modifiers, just like a lot of combat maneuver Rage Powers, a la Knockback. I'd say untyped in-regards to B/P/S, but DR applies otherwise.
I don't think it ever really came up. At least I never saw anyone ask about it. Search function may prove me wrong though.
If you use a spell such as telekenesis to throw someone into a wall DR still applies. By the rules DR applies unless it is spell damage, SLA or energy damage. The rules don't say it has to be weapon damage in order for DR to apply.
The Spells are not dealing damage.
Neither is any weapon.
Then what is?
You don't need everything spelled out. Somethings can reasonably and safely be inferred. If you are using a spell to initiate bullrush and an ability allows that bull rush to do damage the spell is dealing the damage. The damage type should be (largely) self-evident depending on the spell.
If you are using a standard bull rush you are using your body/arms to push them back, how is it unreasonable to treat that as bludgeoning damage?
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If based off unarmed strike, then what if you have the ability to deal different types of damage with unarmed strikes, such as Boar Style?
What about effects that occur when a creature is dealt B/P/S, like the Split ability?
Is it consider striking a creature with an unarmed strike, for things like the Burning Skeleton's Fiery Aura?