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Oh, I see. Snake Style doesn't negate an attack, it changes your AC against that attack to your sense motive check at the cost of a swift action.
I would say that since pummeling style is one attack that has multiple attack rolls, that snake style would use the one sense motive check as the AC for all of the attacks granted by the style.
It makes Snake Style a good counter to Pummeling Style, but it does have the weakness of needing a round to active the style and then using your immediate action.
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What about miss chance?. Do you roll the miss chance for every partial attack individually or just once for all the damage?
I think its all one attack. So miss chance, variable AC, DR, damage-to-pummeler[Babau, I'm looking at you], etc. would all be applied once. Increases the already valuable Blind-Fight feat huh?
Wait, did he mean crane wing when he said 'negate one attack'? Because crane wing used to be able to do that, before it got nerfed.
But yeah, it would be out of luck in such a case. Pummel style if 1 attack, for good or bad. Admittedly, if you aren't facing DR, you could use a regular full attack/flurry, and get fairly similar results (to bad about pummel charge though).
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Admittedly, if you aren't facing DR, you could use a regular full attack/flurry, and get fairly similar results (to bad about pummel charge though).
Not really, with the way the style treats crits, a pummeling style attack is more likely to crit on all attacks than a full attack with improved critical would crit on half your attacks. And it stacks with improved critical.
I'd like to see someone do the math on how a TWF'er with Pummeling Style competes with good ol' Falchion Fred. DPR should go way up with so many chances to crit.
Admittedly, if you aren't facing DR, you could use a regular full attack/flurry, and get fairly similar results (to bad about pummel charge though).Not really, with the way the style treats crits, a pummeling style attack is more likely to crit on all attacks than a full attack with improved critical would crit on half your attacks. And it stacks with improved critical.
Yeah, that is all nice and good. Unless you are facing 50% concealment and have a high chance of that crit missing anyway (unless I am under a large misunderstanding about how concealment works).
Better to get some of a little than to get nothing of a lot. Pummel is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but there are just some times where it is not the best option. And as Evil Paladin said- there are ways to mitigate the problem.
EDIT: oh, Arachnofiend-such a test like that would have to use several different variables to be fully accurate and comprehensive. 2 crit builds- one is TWF with kukris, one a two-handed build with a falchion or nodachi. Throw in haste on everyone too, just to see upper limits. And then you should factor in a few common types of DR, since that is a major advantage of pummel style.
Using a base fighter with appropriate feats and items would serve well as a controlled variable for all this.
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Admittedly, if you aren't facing DR, you could use a regular full attack/flurry, and get fairly similar results (to bad about pummel charge though).Not really, with the way the style treats crits, a pummeling style attack is more likely to crit on all attacks than a full attack with improved critical would crit on half your attacks. And it stacks with improved critical.Yeah, that is all nice and good. Unless you are facing 50% concealment and have a high chance of that crit missing anyway (unless I am under a large misunderstanding about how concealment works).
Better to get some of a little than to get nothing of a lot. Pummel is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but there are just some times where it is not the best option. And as Evil Paladin said- there are ways to mitigate the problem.
Eh, concealment just makes the blind fight tree more attractive to a Pummeling style character.
and what about Swashbuckler and their ability to Parry attacks?Any answer?. It seems that the popular answers depends on the situation.
Sneak style would just rise de AC vs all the attacks in pummeling strike while concealement woudl only need to rolled once.
So, would a swaschbucler roll parry once or per sub-attack within pummeling strike?
I'd say for ease of adjudication, any attack with a lower attack roll than the opposed Parry roll would be deflected, but the others would hit.
As I see it, Pummeling Style is one attack, but multiple hits, if that makes sense. Kinda like Manyshot is multiple arrows, but one attack roll, but in reverse.
My preferred visualization of it is much like a Kugi Punch from Toriko.
Technically separate hits, but so close together that they may as well be one.
If you look at how Pummeling is written, they were apparently careful to avoid using the term 'attack' when talking about making multiple 'rolls'. I would assume that they really mean it to be one single attack, which would mean that Snake Style would be in effect against every roll, and Parry would affect the whole thing. As a side-note though, each 'roll' that hits does 'normal' damage added to the total, meaning something like a flaming weapon would apply to each one, and DR should apply to each one as well...
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How does stunning blow work with pummeling style?
That, and other questions, is what I'd like to be asked Here.
Some say Stunning Fist applies regardless of miss, and some say otherwise.
Some say Parry's attack roll should counter any attack roll lower, and some say it Parry's one of the attacks or even all-or-nothing.
There are a lot of questions on how things interact with Pummeling Style. If you all could please list your questions and concerns on the thread I linked, it would help. I'll soon take all of those and turn it into one fairly big FAQ.