Weight and Encumbrance Question


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Liberty's Edge

So, my character is not strong. No... he's really not. As investigator, he doesn't have to be strong, and I have weapon finesse. So forget all that noise. However, encumbrance is a serious issue for him.
So I have a few questions relating to the Weight of items:
1) Do you have to count the weight of clothing? I mean, REALLY? It doesn't seems too realistic for me. I never feel like I'm being weighed down by my clothes!
2) Do you count the whole weight for armor? Because Leather Armor is SUPER encumbering, and that's an issue.
3) How exactly do backpacks work? Do they help relieve the weight of objects stored in them? It says it holds 2 cubic feet, but that sounds just like fluff or something.
4) Does the cost for Trail Rations stack? I assume it does, but I just wanna make sure.

Anyway, thanks guys! I appreciate the help.


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Liberty's Edge

So what it's saying is that I'm basically just carrying 15 lbs?
It says "If your character is weak..."
Would a strength of 8 classify as weak?
Thank you though, I think I'm starting to understand...

Aha, now I see the rest of the text...
Sigh....
Looks like I may need to drop some stuff and maybe buy different armor...
Dang.


Buy a masterwork backpack if your strength is low. (treat STR 1 higher for carry)
You can also take this trait: Muscle of the Society. (treat STR 2 higher for carry)


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Masterwork Backpack, having friends carry things, and eventually items like Handy Haversack, Heavyload belt, or Muleback cords take care of it.

The other option is buy a pack animal.

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Pack geckos are cheap, and at low levels can go anywhere you can.


If you mount, get a yak for 24gp. a 27 str, large quadruped can carry a LOT.


All the suggestions here are good, and asking strong teammates to carry a few things isn't rude usually. =) I personally try to shy away from pack animals because of my DM's use of fear effects and traps. Wouldn't want to lose all your stuff because your Yak decided to run off the edge of a cliff in fright lol. Can't argue that it's cheap though.

Strong Character:
Made a crafter martial (Master Craftsman/Craft Magical Arms and Armor/Craft Wondrous Items) once that had 24 strength at level 9 (18 + 2 racial + 2 level + 2 enhancement). DM let me craft a cheap-ish item that was like Bag of Holding except that it didn't have a set weight (didn't make things lighter and had the "masterwork backpack" quality of +1 Str for carrying capacity). Combined with Muleback Cords he could carry 800 lbs., so he carried his forge and crafting supplies with him with a couple hundred lbs. extra for adventuring loot all while remaining lightly encumbered.


The nice thing about yak's is they are dirt cheap, AND they're tough. 42hp can suck up a trap or two. A +10 gore that deals 2d6+12 doesn't hurt either. Fear would suck though.


With your starting gold just get 4-5 Yaks and max out handle animal. An army of 42 hp, 2d6+12 damage creatures at level 1 would be funny.


Maybe raise your strength?


What's even better is 3+ yaks can stampede...


I always thought the free clothes did not count against your encumbrance. I guess it was a house rule from my first GM since I cant seem to find it.


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I think the free weight clothes rule was a D&D v.3.5 rule that did not make it into pathfinder.


Assuming Investigators get the same extracts an alchemist does you can use ant haul, by level 3 two a day will carry you through an entire day. At level 5-6 its only using 1 extract. Even with a 7 strength you can carry 69 lbs, 78 with a masterwork backpack. I pull that shenanigans with wizards all the time, it just sucks for a couple of levels.


Zaister wrote:
I think the free weight clothes rule was a D&D v.3.5 rule that did not make it into pathfinder.

I just checked my 3.5 PHB. That is where it came from.


Brom the Obnoxiously Awesome wrote:

So what it's saying is that I'm basically just carrying 15 lbs?

It says "If your character is weak..."
Would a strength of 8 classify as weak?
Thank you though, I think I'm starting to understand...

Aha, now I see the rest of the text...
Sigh....
Looks like I may need to drop some stuff and maybe buy different armor...
Dang.

Yeah, 10 is (officially) average so 8 is definitely weak. I really had to trim things for my STR 10 kitsune rogue because I needed all the dexterity based skills I could get. Finally occurred to me that I could ditch the bedroll since something that could sleep in its own fur didn't need it. :) As it is I'm limited to 6 lbs of loot. Like the idea of the pack animal.


There are no rules requiring you to wear clothes.


Matthew Downie wrote:
There are no rules requiring you to wear clothes.

Still, if you don't have fur or scales or something and not wearing clothes, the DM might have you harassed by the authorities whenever you come to town, not served in the inn, whatever.


Not being able to efficiently carry alot of stuff is the downside to not being particularly strong :)

Remember that you don't have to be lightly encumbered at all times or the sky's gonna fall. It's perfectly reasonable to be encumbered, even heavily so, just remember to adjust as needed. If your party needs to travel a way, buy a beast of burden to carry the stuff you don't need to have split-second access to. Carry the items you REALLY want to have with you, but can ultimately manage without, in a backpack or a sack on your back, tied together with cord in front, so you can drop the backpack/sack with a move-equivalent action. That way you can drop a significant weight at a moment's notice

You can put the tent, the alchemist lab, and your spare clothing down before you enter the dungeon, it's not likely you'll need it. And if you fear that you might, just come back for it. Or if you fear it'll get stolen, walk a bit into the dungeon, then place the excess stuff down inside, where it won't get snagged by passer-bys.

Managing weight is not as hard as some people make it out to be.

-Nearyn

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If you're wearing an armor made of leather or hide, consider having it maid out of darkleaf cloth instead. It will weigh half as much as normal and give you the extra carrying capacity you need. Also, the "class kits" you can buy usually, somehow end up weighing more than if you bought the things individually, plus they come with a normal backpack instead of a masterwork backpack. Consider just getting a masterwork backpack and then picking up only the items you need.


daimaru wrote:
Matthew Downie wrote:
There are no rules requiring you to wear clothes.
Still, if you don't have fur or scales or something and not wearing clothes, the DM might have you harassed by the authorities whenever you come to town, not served in the inn, whatever.

Some would call that a role-playing problem. I would call it a role-playing opportunity.

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Matthew Downie wrote:
daimaru wrote:
Matthew Downie wrote:
There are no rules requiring you to wear clothes.
Still, if you don't have fur or scales or something and not wearing clothes, the DM might have you harassed by the authorities whenever you come to town, not served in the inn, whatever.
Some would call that a role-playing problem. I would call it a role-playing opportunity.

I'm seeing some serious potential for a feral child druid with this line of thinking.


The OP was talking about an Investigator. So the character I envision is, "Shylock Cumberhorn, Nudist Detective".

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Matthew Downie wrote:
The OP was talking about an Investigator. So the character I envision is, "Shylock Cumberhorn, Nudist Detective".

Wait, is he a detective or a money-lender?


Due to the long-term effects that come with liberal consumption of polypurpose panacea extracts, he might think he actually has clothes on.


He used to be a money-lender, but foolishly lent money to orcs for sub-prime mortgages and lost everything, even the clothes on his back. He now remains naked at all times, to remind him of his past mistakes, in his new career as a private dick.

Silver Crusade

Matthew Downie wrote:
He used to be a money-lender, but foolishly lent money to orcs for sub-prime mortgages and lost everything, even the clothes on his back. He now remains naked at all times, to remind him of his past mistakes, in his new career as a private dick.

So he's a private dick with a public dick, then?

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