There's really no point to this, unless it is a roundabout means of flexing your inner Wizards fanboy. Or unless you are getting kickbacks for starting threads that act as thinly veiled commercials for the other team.
You summarize well the responses of many people in this thread by people who seem to consider themselves to be in the dugout of the "home team".
Accusing me of being a "fanboy", and of getting "kickbacks"? That's nothing more than angry vitriol, but it is the sort of vitriol one would expect from a person who sees another as a member of the "opposing team" invading the "dugout".
Actually, thanks. You've helped me to understand the reason for all of the vitriol. I had been confused because I made essentially the same initial post over at ENworld and that conversation has been completely devoid of the kind of snide rage hate I'm seeing here.
It didn't make a lot of sense before but now I get it. This is the "dugout", and I'm considering changing colors to the "other team".
I guess I was confused because I didn't really expect that kind of mentality from fellow gamers. Go figure.
I'll leave you to your cheers and pom-poms. Have fun at Homecoming!
Wait! when did we start talking about Baseball? okay then i'm game:) Go Mariners! yeah! we did it baby! we're number one! who hoo! Yankees suck!
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There's really no point to this, unless it is a roundabout means of flexing your inner Wizards fanboy. Or unless you are getting kickbacks for starting threads that act as thinly veiled commercials for the other team.
You summarize well the responses of many people in this thread by people who seem to consider themselves to be in the dugout of the "home team".
Accusing me of being a "fanboy", and of getting "kickbacks"? That's nothing more than angry vitriol, but it is the sort of vitriol one would expect from a person who sees another as a member of the "opposing team" invading the "dugout".
Actually, thanks. You've helped me to understand the reason for all of the vitriol. I had been confused because I made essentially the same initial post over at ENworld and that conversation has been completely devoid of the kind of snide rage hate I'm seeing here.
It didn't make a lot of sense before but now I get it. This is the "dugout", and I'm considering changing colors to the "other team".
I guess I was confused because I didn't really expect that kind of mentality from fellow gamers. Go figure.
I'll leave you to your cheers and pom-poms. Have fun at Homecoming!
Wait! when did we start talking about Baseball? okay then i'm game:) Go Mariners! yeah! we did it baby! we're number one! who hoo! Yankees suck!
there was that good? its just you have me so confused, what with a bait thread in the wrong forum and all
It is inevitable that as time goes on a system will develop more rules and the universe and player options are expanded. JJ even said that the reason they produced mythic rules is because you needed them to stat out and kill demon lords which was the point of the WotR AP, and even pathfinder unchained is being produced as part of a request people have to certain vocal critiques of classes and game rules that they would have done if they knew earlier.
Plus in terms of options I'm not a fan of teamwork feats, pets such as animal companions or familiers, or the summoner class, but there are people who like teamwork feats and having a pet or acting like a Pokemon master, and so rules for such things exist. This is also why there are rules for firearms and even more recently technology of a scifi nature, people ask for it and they will get it if the interest is loud and large enough for it to be economical for them.
So in terms of rule bloat, or material bloat, it will always happen. And while I might not be a fan of the upcoming hunter class, I know other people will like it and thus the option exists for them. It's like trying to put everything we know and everything that exists into an encyclopedia set, there will be a lot of cross referencing and a number of volumes in the thousands. so while I do look at books like Pathfinder unchained and I moan a little, I do take a quick look through to see if they're may be a gold nugget for me amount the thousands that exist for other people.
So I understand your concerns Werebat, but this is part of the cycle that happens with all popular RPGs, they grow, they bloat, they update, repeat. But the material always has something of use even if it's not you but the guy in the post after you on the messageboards.
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All systems have this problem the more they release the more chance that people find fault with things i think the best way is if you don't like something don't use it all the rules are optional as long as every one playing knows what you are and are not using there should be no problems
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Why do you think we need these supplemental books or else we won't run the APs or buy them?
Where did I say that? You have completely missed my point and are not making any sense.
Not that it is stopping some from backslapping and high-fiving you in the "favorites" section. Go team Go!
hey now! Tangent is a cool guy with intelligent things to say, of course we're going to back slap him and give him high fives! we would do the same for you if you did the same, we just haven't heard it from you yet
"Prove me wrong children, prove me wrong!" - Principal Skinner,
I think a lot of people will go over to 5E for simplicity reasons, but not for the "simplicity" reasons Werebat cites. 5E, within the core rules, simplifies a lot of things like magic and and number tracking. From what I can gather, a lot of people who really like 2E/1E find 5E closer to what they want than Pathfinder.
I really doubt people who like the complexity of Pathfinder, but dislike the number of books, are going to be all that happy transitioning over to 5E. Mainly because 5E will almost certainly start cranking out more player options, and within 2 or 3 years will have just as "bloated" rule set as Pathfinder. It would really seem to me that the most obvious solution if you don't like all the rules is to reduce the number of books at one's table.
So I guess I just completely disagree that the current rules "bloat" is a problem for the game, especially since there are still people who post that they don't feel like Pathfinder has ENOUGH options for them.
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Yeah I am aware of that but Coridan might not be.PF Online is something wholly separate from Pathfinder. Not sure I plan to play it when it comes out, but what it is/isn't has no real bearing on the pen and paper world at all. . .Curious why you dont like ACG but are fine with unchained? Also, whats wrong with PF online?WotC seems to be in a place closer to (but not quite as bad as) White Wolf/Onyx Path. A small dedicated team trying to salvage a brand ruined by corporates and owned by a company that doesn't really care about them.
I don't agree with every Paizo decision (Pathfinder Online, ACG, monthly companions/quarterly modules) but at least Lisa doesn't plan on selling to some publicly traded monster
I don't think that attaching the brand name to an MMO flop is going to be beneficial (and the overwhelming majority of MMOs are failures). And ACG is adding 10 new base classes, most of which are (imho) incredibly underwhelming and are easily (or better) achieved by multiclassing (I am not of the mindset the PF design team seems to be in that multiclassing is an evil). Unchained is a list of alternatives, like Unearthed Arcana or the Words of Power section in UM, that doesn't bother me at all.
I think the whole 5E tangent really detracts from what could be a decent conversation about Pathfinder getting too bloated and Paizo's steady shift from producing GM material to more and more player material. From someone who got hooked to Paizo back when they were revitalizing Dungeon magazine I am generally unhappy with the current direction.
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