How would Combined Spells (Su) of the Mystic Theurge work with Sorcerer / Oracle?

[Vincent The Dark]

Combined Spells (Su):

A mystic theurge can prepare and cast spells from one of his spellcasting classes using the available slots from any of his other spellcasting classes. Spells prepared or cast in this way take up a slot one level higher than they originally occupied. This ability cannot be used to cast a spell at a lower level if that spell exists on both spell lists. At 1st level, a mystic theurge can prepare 1st-level spells from one of his spellcasting classes using the 2nd-level slots of the other spellcasting class. Every two levels thereafter, the level of spells that can be cast in this way increases by one, to a maximum of 5th-level spells at 9th level (these spells would take up 6th-level spell slots). The components of these spells do not change, but they otherwise follow the rules for the spellcasting class used to cast the spell.

Spontaneous spellcasters can only select spells that they have prepared that day using non-spontaneous classes for this ability, even if the spells have already been cast. For example, a cleric/sorcerer/mystic theurge can use this ability to spontaneously cast a bless spell using a 2nd-level sorcerer spell slot, if the character had a prepared bless spell using a 1st-level cleric spell slot, even if that spell had already been cast that day.

Which spells would he be able to cast using this ability if no class offers prepared spells?

[dragonhunterq]

Vincent The Dark wrote:

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Which spells would he be able to cast using this ability if no class offers prepared spells?

looks like none to me.

the ability works in two ways, both of which require a least one class that prepares spells, without that the ability is unusable.

[Vincent The Dark]

Wow, I was hoping that that build would be able to cast any spell with that ability, oh well : )

[Zwordsman]

That whole thing after all was talking about specifically when a spontaneous is taken with a preppared.

First notation: the first paragraph says "prepare or cast" so still valid if your gm doesn't think Sorc/Oracle prepare.

The first block doesn't make mentioned of spontaneous or non spontaneous. So that applies to any combination at all. Simply "prepared or cast" (see above)

The 2nd bit is talking specifically about a prepared and a spontaneous combo. Your not that combo therefor it doesn't touch your build.

It doesn't mention prepared and preppared or sponetaneous and spontaneous. there ful they don't have any specific restrictions to it. Therefor they follow the first paragraph.

Thats how I, my gm/coplayer read that. two seperate paragraphs, and the 2nd one mentions specific occurance (which was the norm at time of writing but is no longer the norm,so it's a specific case. Would even apply to a wizard+oracle. not just cleric+sorc)

Now this build is going to seriously suffer from spell level loss, Unless your allowed to use the early entry tricks

[Peet]

I'm pretty sure this was Faq'ed since it was written when the only divine casters were prepared.

Edit - Here it is:
FAQ: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qx6

So yes, sorcerer/oracle theurges can indeed use combined spells to cast sorc spells with oracle slots and vice/versa. FYI though the later spell level gain that oracles and sorcerers have makes this a tough class to work with, even with early entry.