Can a Scrollstaff be enchanted as a "spellcasting" staff?

[Davechan]

Had a search for this but couldn't find an answer, so apologies if I've missed it! I was wondering if it was possible to enchant a Scrollstaff to be a "spellcasting" staff (as in, the variety that holds charges and lets you cast spells). It feels like this is a bit of an obvious use case that isn't explicitly called out in the rules.

"A scrollstaff serves as a weapon just like an ordinary staff and can be improved via runes like any other staff."

I feel like the implication here is that for all intents and purposes a Scrollstaff is a regular staff, and therefore like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff. However, I also feel like if they intended that to be the case they would have explicitly called it out like with the runes? I wondered if there had been any clarification on this anywhere

Obviously in a game of my own I would rule that this is legit, because I think it's just a nice flavourful item that doesn't really break the game. My follow up question is would it be legit for PFS play?

[Ascalaphus]

Sadly, no. A scrollstaff is a specific magic weapon, and so are the staves. You can't combine them.

[Gisher]

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

[Baarogue]

Gisher wrote:

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

He's extrapolating from the fact that Staves are staff weapons. They can even be enhanced with fundamental runes, but not property runes. It's in the rules on Staves under Attacking with a Staff

[graystone]

Baarogue wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

He's extrapolating from the fact that Staves are staff weapons. They can even be enhanced with fundamental runes, but not property runes. It's in the rules on Staves under Attacking with a Staff

Coda Instruments have the staff trait and list 2 differences from normal staves: they "are in the form of musical instruments" and "you can’t attack with a coda instrument nor can you etch it with weapon runes." I see no reason a non-staff couldn't have the staff trait like the Coda Instruments in a similar manner.

[Baarogue]

graystone wrote:

Baarogue wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

He's extrapolating from the fact that Staves are staff weapons. They can even be enhanced with fundamental runes, but not property runes. It's in the rules on Staves under Attacking with a Staff

Coda Instruments have the staff trait and list 2 differences from normal staves: they "are in the form of musical instruments" and "you can’t attack with a coda instrument nor can you etch it with weapon runes." I see no reason a non-staff couldn't have the staff trait like the Coda Instruments in a similar manner.

???

I'm just answering Gisher's question with my assumption, not taking a side. I don't have my copy yet so I have no idea what you're talking about :D

[graystone]

Baarogue wrote:

graystone wrote:

Baarogue wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

He's extrapolating from the fact that Staves are staff weapons. They can even be enhanced with fundamental runes, but not property runes. It's in the rules on Staves under Attacking with a Staff

Coda Instruments have the staff trait and list 2 differences from normal staves: they "are in the form of musical instruments" and "you can’t attack with a coda instrument nor can you etch it with weapon runes." I see no reason a non-staff couldn't have the staff trait like the Coda Instruments in a similar manner.

???

I'm just answering Gisher's question with my assumption, not taking a side. I don't have my copy yet so I have no idea what you're talking about :D

And I'm just adding new info from Treasure Trove into the mix. It wasn't a comment on your particular post per se, just an addition to the ongoing debate as a whole.

[Baarogue]

Right on

[Gisher]

Baarogue wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Davechan wrote:

...like any regular staff is valid to be enchanted as a spellcasting staff.

Where is the rule saying that any regular staff can be turned into a spellcasting staff?

He's extrapolating from the fact that Staves are staff weapons. They can even be enhanced with fundamental runes, but not property runes. It's in the rules on Staves under Attacking with a Staff

Yes, spellcasting staffs function as specific staff weapons. But that isn't at all the same as saying that all staff weapons can be upgraded into spellcasting staffs.