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Also, just to play your sick game Andrew, you have no idea what the circumstances of their pregnancy was. Short of a bilateral oophorectomy or bilateral orchiectomy no form of birth control is perfect.My sick game of expecting responsibility? I am willing to bet if it were BC failure they would have said so since the point of this is to feel sorry for them. So i assume they just did what they wanted and this is what happened.No. Your sick game of blaming people for their misfortune.
For blaming her for having the audacity to pursue a career in an industry that involves moving from gig to gig because it doesn't meet your definition of stable. Never mind that she's not the one who lost her job.
For blaming her for getting pregnant because she didn't keep her legs together.
For her and her husband buying a house well within their means until they lost 75% of their income, without warning.
For having the audacity to not live the life of ascetic deprivation and austerity they would have had to to meet your ridiculous standard of 'responsibility'.
I don't know why I even bother. By your own statements the only reason the poor are poor is because they're stupid, lazy, and evil. Then again, but your own statements, you're poor. So begone, peon. Come back when you can prove you've made proper restitution for your sins by not being poor.
i blame them for misfortunes they choose. She chose to work in an unstable industry.
Pregnancy is almost completely preventable so yes i will blame them for that.
The article says nothing about them abusing the system so my idea of responsible use of money is no issue here. I even defended her choice to get a pop once in a while, as opposed to what i see every day of multiple 2 liters daily being the norm.
I have no issue with the poor, said it MANY times. i have a problem with takers and how they abuse other peoples money. I have a problem with the stupid that make bad choices and...
Then what would you consider a stable industry?
That is also wrong and a firm sign of the corruption of campaign money. No company should be able to get out of taxes let alone get a bigger return out of the pot.In another thread about the 185 richest families in the USA, Citizen R. anticipated a great wave of class jealousy. He's very upset about having to pay for welfare cheats who buy $20 worth of cookies in a go, or dare to have sex without multiple condoms, but, how does he feel about the vast fortunes accumulated by America's wealthiest families with help from his tax dollars?
I encourage everyone to help out.
1) The Waltons--pretty obvious, not even worth a link
2) The Koches--as I said in the other thread, they helped set up the Democratic Leadership Council, which isn't really germane to the conversation, but is pretty damning on its own3) The Marses--The Sugar Bailout: A Sweet Handout to Industry Goes Sour for Consumers
Apparently, the federal government has been propping up the price of sugar for the benefit of confectionary capitalists to the tune of $14 billion since 2008, because otherwise, [sniffle sniffle] M&Ms might not be as profitable.
Next up are the Cargills of Cargill, Inc. I saw their name mentioned in another article about the misuse of farm bills, but I want to give others an opportunity to participate.
But I thought taxes were theft?
Ok i think i caught my breath from laughing at this. Privilege? are you &^%$ing kidding me? i came from about as poor as you can get. i have worked for the things i want and need since i was a child. I learned to sew very young because if i ripped my pants i had to sew them since we could not afford more. My HATRED for stupid comes from having to live with nothing and doing it right. My "extreme view" that they need to worry about work before play has been the norm of most people before this generation of eternal children that think they should be allowed to play the day away and let...R seems to have an aversion to acknowledging privilege, let alone its effects in society, given his extreme view of the less fortunate.has nothing to do with a better life, i lack the jealousy so many are afflicted by when talking about social class, i just don't want to be the one paying for it. it has everything to do with be responsible, not party like its the end of the world then demand someone else pay the piper for you. live within your means, try to have a plan, minimize risk. this is not rocket science but sadly most people these days are too damn dumb. wich would be fine if people like me didn't have to bail them outSo, we can conclude that it's irresponsible to live on a budget larger than what you would earn on minimum wage. It's irresponsible to have sex without making sure that the woman has taken her pill or checked whatever other BC she might be on AND the guy better double up on the condom, just to be safe. Buying a house that you can't buy with cash is also irresponsible. Buying a car is also very questionable, even if you can pay it with cash, because you might have been able to buy a cheaper (but probably also more unreliable, but that's somehow not the point) one.
Sodas, energy drinks and jerky are right out of the question!
In other words, anyone living a better life than Andrew R is Doing it Wrong(tm)!
yes, yes, you do it right, everyone else is doing it wrong, you have said as much before. Why do you get so angry when someone point out the idea that you hold your poverty above others?
Then what would you consider a stable industry?i blame them for misfortunes they choose. She chose to work in an unstable industry.
No. Your sick game of blaming people for their misfortune.
For blaming her for having the audacity to pursue a career in an industry that involves moving from gig to gig because it doesn't meet your definition of stable. Never mind that she's not the one who lost her job.
Who cares. It was the husband that got laid off.
And obviously, a stable industry is one where you don't lose your job at an inconvenient time.
Much like being responsible with birth control is not getting pregnant. It has nothing to do with what method you use.
Responsibility is all about the results. It's defined in hindsight. If it worked, it was the responsible choice. If it didn't, it's your fault no matter what the odds.
Not to mention the premature twins. They totally chose that misfortune by feeding the kids with $15 a can formula rather than letting them waste away in the first few weeks.
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But this story is still no defense of how so many misuse and abuse the system.
I'll try once again.
Where's your evidence for this misuse and abuse? Clear evidence that shows the statistics that I and others have already posted showing that e.g. 98-99% of the help actually goes to the right people are wrong.
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Not to mention the premature twins. They totally chose that misfortune by feeding the kids with $15 a can formula rather than letting them waste away in the first few weeks.
Maybe he's right, maybe they should have known ahead of time that the pregnancy would result in twins who were very premature and they definitely should have know ahead of time that the market was going to crash. Darn takers!
... Wait a second, no, that's pants-on-head crazy. Never mind.
Next up are the Cargills of Cargill, Inc. I saw their name mentioned in another article about the misuse of farm bills, but I want to give others an opportunity to participate.That is also wrong and a firm sign of the corruption of campaign money. No company should be able to get out of taxes let alone get a bigger return out of the pot.
Man, OTDers, you are lazy bunch. Not a single prospective investigative journalist, or at least, bored googler, amongst you? (Partial exception for Comrade Jeff.)
Two kiddie rapists in the top 15! Who knows what else is in there?
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I don't know. In the version of "The Grasshopper and the Ants" that I remember, the ants all take pity on the grasshopper in the end and let him play music for his supper.
The Grasshopper was always kinda one of my role models, actually.
I also think it's unfair to judge people on welfare because of the fancy gadgets they flash. I used to pick up a co-worker who, despite living in public housing, always had the latest video game system, smartphone, e-reader (well, he didn't have an e-reader, but his wife and kids did), whatever. One day, finally, as he was giving me his old PS2 because it was just taking up space, I had enough.
"How dare you have all of these brand new electronic doodads when I'm paying for your food stamps, you welfare leech, you degenerate scum?!?"
"No, no," he protested, "You don't understand. I got this off Steve. You know, Steve? Missing some teeth, works at the foundry, strung out on meth? Yeah, he owed me some money for some weed I fronted him and he couldn't pay, so he gave me this. He might have stolen it, I'm not sure."
I was embarrassed, of course, that I had mistaken his skill at entrepreneurial exchange for leeching and apologized profusely.
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Hee hee!
It's just something that crosses my mind when people tell me their horror stories about being in line at the grocery store behind someone who is using their food stamps in a way the story-teller feels is inappropriate: Maybe they bought it off some wino in the parking lot? Maybe they're just some hard-working, god-fearing, 'Murican with kids to feed and they're supposed to say no to someone offering them Juicy Juice and Hamburger Helper for pennies on the dollar? Whatever happened to smart shopping?!?
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WOW there is so much stupid in that. Call me greedy for wanting to own what i earn without any one else just taking it if you want. That is most certainly not the definition of jealous no matter your mental gymnastics.
I didn't call you greedy, I called you jealous and ungenerous. Which you are. It's not mental gymnastics to use the definition of jealous (possessive of things, and suspicious, fearful, vindictive and resentful of others) to say that worrying about people "just taking" what you have "earned" matches. This thing, it is an ugly word, and it describes you perfectly.
Sure being a responsible person can involves asking for help, but first comes doing the right thing to try to not need help. It also includes making the right use of that help not pissing it away for fun. yes it does mean paying the bills before having fun.
A) Why is needing help bad (since that's the necessary inference from the claim that the right thing to do is seeking to avoid that outcome)?
B) What is the "right" use of help, who gets to decide that, and what gives them that right?C) Why is a basic level of comfort and happiness not also a fundamental life necessity like food and shelter? Why is "fun" not just as valid a "bill" as a car payment?
UGH. Stop bringing up that stupid fairy tale. It's just another way of expressing the same set of terrible assumptions, but this time in an easy to digest "propaganda for children" form. The Grasshopper was not wrong to want to enjoy his life, nor was he necessarily undeserving of the fruits of the ants' labor as well. The grasshopper...Hindsight might be 20/20 but you do not have to be a rocket scientist to plan for likely future events. Saving money for unseen disaster is never a wrong answer. Asops fables Ant and the Grasshopper is very relevant here, the ant prepared for winter, the grasshopper played in the sun. Don't be a grasshopper if you want to eat in the winter.
Earning a living is more important than playing. if you enjoy your job, lucky you, but it is still a job not playing. Fun comes later, you are not a child so stop pretending that you should have no responsibility.
Wait, you are really arguing that in The Ant and the Grasshopper he was right to be a lazy goodfornothing and DESERVED to take from the hardworking ant? if so you are beyond too foolish to even continue to address.You know absolutely zero about nutrition if you think doritos are equivalent to beans. And how the hell do the jobless not have time to cook? Besides it doesn't take that long at all, half the time a drive to get junk takes more time than cooking does. learn a bit about nutrition before coming back to this part
No, absolutely nothing about a fancy ass phone does a damn thing to help you get a job over a cheap flip phone. a thousand dollar laptop does nothing more to help get a job that a $200 toshba. If you think you can PROVE otherwise lets see it. None of that is an "investment" especially when that money could, you know, pay bills or cloth their children. But toys are more important
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Hee hee!
It's just something that crosses my mind when people tell me their horror stories about being in line at the grocery store behind someone who is using their food stamps in a way the story-teller feels is inappropriate: Maybe they bought it off some wino in the parking lot? Maybe they're just some hard-working, god-fearing, 'Murican with kids to feed and they're supposed to say no to someone offering them Juicy Juice and Hamburger Helper for pennies on the dollar? Whatever happened to smart shopping?!?
Anyone caught selling a card should be cut off for life. that is just stealing from tax payer, worthless filth
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I also think it's unfair to judge people on welfare because of the fancy gadgets they flash. I used to pick up a co-worker who, despite living in public housing, always had the latest video game system, smartphone, e-reader (well, he didn't have an e-reader, but his wife and kids did), whatever. One day, finally, as he was giving me his old PS2 because it was just taking up space, I had enough.
"How dare you have all of these brand new electronic doodads when I'm paying for your food stamps, you welfare leech, you degenerate scum?!?"
"No, no," he protested, "You don't understand. I got this off Steve. You know, Steve? Missing some teeth, works at the foundry, strung out on meth? Yeah, he owed me some money for some weed I fronted him and he couldn't pay, so he gave me this. He might have stolen it, I'm not sure."
I was embarrassed, of course, that I had mistaken his skill at entrepreneurial exchange for leeching and apologized profusely.
yeah he is in public housing but has plenty of drug money, simply trash before even getting to the point
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And how the hell do the jobless not have time to cook? Besides it doesn't take that long at all, half the time a drive to get junk takes more time than cooking does.A good chunk of those getting food assistance of one kind or another are working. They're just making lousy money. But I assume you can tell the difference just by looking.
Still doesn't take all that long to cook. Part of the issue with time is single parents and not all of those are by choice
yeah he is in public housing but has plenty of drug money, simply trash before even getting to the point
Do I insult your friends, you rude piece of shiznit?
I don't know. In the version of "The Grasshopper and the Ants" that I remember, the ants all take pity on the grasshopper in the end and let him play music for his supper.
The Grasshopper was always kinda one of my role models, actually.
Interesting you should mention Aesop.
There are several ways to interpret his fables to go along with the dozens of different versions, but the American psyche tends to cleave to the most stringent, antiseptic one. I'm all for letting the grasshopper play for his supper, but not out of pity, but exchanging goods for a service.
Andrew, I would assume you would prefer the version where the ants eat the grasshopper?
yeah he is in public housing but has plenty of drug money, simply trash before even getting to the pointDo I insult your friends, you rude piece of shiznit?
I get where he's coming from: back before the Just Cause debacle I was perfectly willing to provide free beer to the lower classes. It kept them happy, and if they were too drunk to pay their rent, hey, no big deal, I could just evict them, right? But that afternoon, once I had finished* vindictively torturing Dicey showing Dicey the error of his ways, I went inside and drafted my new policy: No beer till you've paid the rent, and I'm charging by the stein from now on, so there!
* What happened was, the sun went down; Manse Dice isn't wired for electricity, and I didn't want to continue by firelight. It wasn't till I was shaving the next morning that I said to myself in the mirror, "Lord Dice, how did you miss the opportunity for red-hot pokers like that?"
...WOW there is so much stupid in that. Call me greedy for wanting to own what i earn without any one else just taking it if you want. That is most certainly not the definition of jealous no matter your mental gymnastics.
I didn't call you greedy, I called you jealous and ungenerous. Which you are. It's not mental gymnastics to use the definition of jealous (possessive of things, and suspicious, fearful, vindictive and resentful of others) to say that worrying about people "just taking" what you have "earned" matches. This thing, it is an ugly word, and it describes you perfectly.
Sure being a responsible person can involves asking for help, but first comes doing the right thing to try to not need help. It also includes making the right use of that help not pissing it away for fun. yes it does mean paying the bills before having fun.
A) Why is needing help bad (since that's the necessary inference from the claim that the right thing to do is seeking to avoid that outcome)?
B) What is the "right" use of help, who gets to decide that, and what gives them that right?C) Why is a basic level of comfort and happiness not also a fundamental life necessity like food and shelter? Why is "fun" not just as valid a "bill" as a car payment?
UGH. Stop bringing up that stupid fairy tale. It's just another way of expressing the same set of terrible assumptions, but this time in an easy to digest "propaganda for children" form. The Grasshopper was not wrong to want to enjoy his life, nor was he necessarily undeserving of the fruits of the ants' laborHindsight might be 20/20 but you do not have to be a rocket scientist to plan for likely future events. Saving money for unseen disaster is never a wrong answer. Asops fables Ant and the Grasshopper is very relevant here, the ant prepared for winter, the grasshopper played in the sun. Don't be a grasshopper if you want to eat in the winter.
Well, for one thing, the less expensive items break far, far more often than the more expensive ones. I know this from experience. You get what you pay for when it comes to electronics. There was a time in this country where this was not true, but that time has long passed.
Anyone caught selling a card should be cut off for life. that is just stealing from tax payer, worthless filthHee hee!
It's just something that crosses my mind when people tell me their horror stories about being in line at the grocery store behind someone who is using their food stamps in a way the story-teller feels is inappropriate: Maybe they bought it off some wino in the parking lot? Maybe they're just some hard-working, god-fearing, 'Murican with kids to feed and they're supposed to say no to someone offering them Juicy Juice and Hamburger Helper for pennies on the dollar? Whatever happened to smart shopping?!?
You got to jail for selling a card. More or less no questions asked.
You got to jail for selling a card. More or less no questions asked.Anyone caught selling a card should be cut off for life. that is just stealing from tax payer, worthless filthHee hee!
It's just something that crosses my mind when people tell me their horror stories about being in line at the grocery store behind someone who is using their food stamps in a way the story-teller feels is inappropriate: Maybe they bought it off some wino in the parking lot? Maybe they're just some hard-working, god-fearing, 'Murican with kids to feed and they're supposed to say no to someone offering them Juicy Juice and Hamburger Helper for pennies on the dollar? Whatever happened to smart shopping?!?
Yeah, and that prosecution costs tax payer money! Can't we just feed the homeless to the hungry and be done with it?
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I don't know. In the version of "The Grasshopper and the Ants" that I remember, the ants all take pity on the grasshopper in the end and let him play music for his supper.
The Grasshopper was always kinda one of my role models, actually.
Interesting you should mention Aesop.
There are several ways to interpret his fables to go along with the dozens of different versions, but the American psyche tends to cleave to the most stringent, antiseptic one. I'm all for letting the grasshopper play for his supper, but not out of pity, but exchanging goods for a service.
Andrew, I would assume you would prefer the version where the ants eat the grasshopper?
the version i am familiar with the grashopper freezes and starves. If the ants CHOOSE to feed the grasshopper its cool. if the grasshopper demands food even if that leaves the ant short or steal it then *&^% the locust. The difference is agreement to pay for service VS him taking what he feels is fair because he wants it.
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In the version I'm familiar with, everyone just kept saying "Yes, your majesty, that's a wonderful set of clothes you've got there."
Of course, the fact that The Grasshopper and the Ants was written in a time when slavery was the prevailing form of economic production kinda sheds a different light on the "don't take from others" moral of the tale...
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Of course, the fact that The Grasshopper and the Ants was written in a time when slavery was the prevailing form of economic production kinda sheds a different light on the "don't take from others" moral of the tale...
part of the issue with the "people playing deserve to take from people working" mentality is that it might as well make slaves of those expected to provide for others
As opposed to in the old days, when they were just slaves.
Anyway, I remembered that I had posted about "I live in public housing, but I am not a thief--that was the other guy, I just sell weed" before:
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I don't know about any of that; I'm not political. I do know that Outside of the Inside is m'lord Dice's favorite song ever. When he heard it, the tears ran down his cheeks, and he sobbed, "Finally, somebody gets me!"
.i have seen MANY touchscreen smartphones shatter. my nokia flip phone is years old. Not sure money gets you better in this case
Screens shatter, but they still work. My flip phone screens all exploded after a time and became completely unusable.
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Screens shatter, but they still work. My flip phone screens all exploded after a time and became completely unusable..i have seen MANY touchscreen smartphones shatter. my nokia flip phone is years old. Not sure money gets you better in this case
I have had flip cell phones for over 15 years and never broke one. every one of my friends have shattered a touch screen
Do they still work or no?
So, take your fiddle....and play!
See? I knew that story had a happy ending.
I don't know about any of that; I'm not political. I do know that Outside of the Inside is m'lord Dice's favorite song ever. When he heard it, the tears ran down his cheeks, and he sobbed, "Finally, somebody gets me!"
that was the population of Darwin twenty years ago
So, care to give homeless that solar powered shipping container house with moisture vaporator on an acre of land for a hundred thousand dollars or are you okay with the betrayal of your childhood dreams?
Six billion dollars and ten square miles will fix this.
But where will they get the Droids to maintain the vaporators?
Just so long as they speak Bocce, all will be well.
Commie Councilperson Urges Workers to Sign Up for Welfare.
Hmmm, I wonder what New Hampshire offers...
Vive le Galt!
A whole bunch of nonsense about people enjoying themselves and living dignified lives.
"Van Gogh, Botticelli
Scraping paint onto a boardColor is the fuel of madness
That's no way to praise the Lord
Grey's the color of the pious
Knelt upon the misericord"
Now that's a beautiful artistic creation everyone should learn in grade school!
I am still waiting for a precise definition of "stable job" from Andrew W.
Already largely answered up thread - may poor people have a job, but it pays minimum wage, so they still need assistance to afford to eat...Walmart assists it's own employees in making applications for food assistance programs, because even the corporation realizes that in most stores it does not pay enough to make a living wage. Simmilarly, most food drives in Walmart stores are for the benefit for the employees living the most precariously on the edge.
This kills me. If Walmart understands that they don't pay their employees a living wage, why don't they pay them a living wage?!?!?!?
(I know the answer - it'll cut into profits!)
Anyone caught selling a card should be cut off for life. that is just stealing from tax payer, worthless filth
Countryman, "worthless filth" is an ugly thing to call a human being, thief or no.
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Already largely answered up thread - may poor people have a job, but it pays minimum wage, so they still need assistance to afford to eat...Walmart assists it's own employees in making applications for food assistance programs, because even the corporation realizes that in most stores it does not pay enough to make a living wage. Simmilarly, most food drives in Walmart stores are for the benefit for the employees living the most precariously on the edge.This kills me. If Walmart understands that they don't pay their employees a living wage, why don't they pay them a living wage?!?!?!?
(I know the answer - it'll cut into profits!)
Why should they? Just out of the goodness of their hearts? The entire business model is cut costs at any expense.
The real question is why does anyone shop there? Despite the reputation, it's only marginally cheaper than other options at best.
It amazes me too. I never have shopped there and indeed refuse to shop there and tell others not too. Unfortunately they have this hold and people will go there to save a dollar and they may save money short term only to then have prices go back up once Walmart eliminates their local competition. There business model is extremely profitable ... but leaves something to be desired for the local people. I prefer to buy my things at other places who are not as draconian. Just like I don't shop Amazon though I will buy from Barnes and Noble. I will prefer to go to a local shop and buy there.
I am more of the fan of the small business owners and unfortunately we do not make things easy on those guys in Mass. If you are a big corporation we are excited about that and give huge tax breaks but the small guy gets the shaft.
Why should they? Just out of the goodness of their hearts? The entire business model is cut costs at any expense.Already largely answered up thread - may poor people have a job, but it pays minimum wage, so they still need assistance to afford to eat...Walmart assists it's own employees in making applications for food assistance programs, because even the corporation realizes that in most stores it does not pay enough to make a living wage. Simmilarly, most food drives in Walmart stores are for the benefit for the employees living the most precariously on the edge.This kills me. If Walmart understands that they don't pay their employees a living wage, why don't they pay them a living wage?!?!?!?
(I know the answer - it'll cut into profits!)
My point is they are publicly acknowledging the shortcoming as they are "helping" their customers make up the difference. They are already showing "the goodness of their hearts". Just in a way that doesn't affect their bottom line. And by acknowledging that they are paying their employees poorly but not actually increasing their pay shows how transparent their "goodness" is.