I would probably look at the sorc arcana and first level power to find some that I kinda like. Maybe even crossblooded to get some more. Consider empyreal, maestro, fey, rakshasa, boreal, deep earth, dreamspun, serpentine, stormborn, and verdant. They all have arcana and/or powers that could still be useful. I would probably go empyreal crossed with stormborn. Pick a few spells that are either still useful at CL1 or are independent of caster level. Detect Secret Doors, Endure Elements, and True Strike are the first ones that come to my mind.
Then use the cleric and monk levels to make a zen archer / buff caster.
Are you limited to Paizo Pathfinder material, or can you bring in 3pp or 3.5E D&D stuff?
If you are allowed to use feats from D&D 3.5E, the Ascetic Mage feat is your friend. It allows you to synergize your sorcerer levels with a level or two of monk and use charisma instead of wisdom to boost your unarmred AC. Practice Spellcaster would be another useful feat, to get your sorcerer casting level up to your character level.
If Pathfinder 3pp material is allowed, you can delay your cleric level until after you have taken that Ascetic Mage feat to add wisdom to AC again.
So you can make your character a monk 1/sorcerer 6/cleric 1, with AC as a 7th level monk plus charisma bonus. The character would be primarily a sorcerer with a few neat extra tricks from the other classes that you are forced to take.
I would focus on a more melee oriented character since your forced into 3 classes and focus on spell casting would hurt a lot. 1 or 3 Cleric/ 1 Sorcerer/ 4 to 6 Zen Archer would probably work. Dwarf would be nice pick, For the cleric, I would focus on what kind of cool domains I could get. Travel pops to mind, not sure what else.
More I think about it: Cleric 1, Sorcerer 1 (empyreal), Monk (ZenArcher 6) would be very effective to start. You would have Imp.Precise Shot out the gate, and wouldnt be MAD at all.
An interesting situation presented to the OP, and all posters so far have provided actual information instead of bashing the OP's GM; well done Paizo community.
My optimization-fu is not the greatest, but cleric and monk would seem to synergize fairly well. The sorcerer level won't likely do much for you, but access to a couple of arcane spells might not be bad.
Sounds like a fun game; best of luck.
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If you're using SLA's to qualify for Mystic Theurge, then you probably want to go Aasimar. Daylight will qualify you on the arcane side, plus that +2 WIS, +2 CHA will be very nice for spells and Channel Energy (and maybe open you up to a different bloodline besides Empyreal, since you'll have decent CHA and won't be focusing on sorcerer spells anyway).
Nethys, God of Magic, is a perfect choice for a Theurge, and Guided Hand fits in perfectly. Honestly, for a character forced to take three classes, you could hardly have gotten a better combination. Good luck!
If you're using SLA's to qualify for Mystic Theurge, then you probably want to go Aasimar. Daylight will qualify you on the arcane side, plus that +2 WIS, +2 CHA will be very nice for spells and Channel Energy (and maybe open you up to a different bloodline besides Empyreal, since you'll have decent CHA and won't be focusing on sorcerer spells anyway).
Nethys, God of Magic, is a perfect choice for a Theurge, and Guided Hand fits in perfectly. Honestly, for a character forced to take three classes, you could hardly have gotten a better combination. Good luck!
Maybe Fighter/Barbarian/Ranger, but point taken.
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If you are going to roll for classes, just roll for everything. Roll stats in order, roll percentile dices for feats. Randomness is good. And when the party dies from the unplayable mess that results, maybe the GM will let you actually play the character you want.
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If you are going to roll for classes, just roll for everything. Roll stats in order, roll percentile dices for feats. Randomness is good. And when the party dies from the unplayable mess that results, maybe the GM will let you actually play the character you want.
Awwww. Well all good things must come to an end.
I forget which between Trickery and Deception Domanin/Subdomain, but one of them gives you Mirror Image as a spell and the ability to teleport to a flanking position, while the other gives you invisibility and the ability to make a single double of yourself. The clones that make a miss chance very likely come in handy for a melee character.
If you are going to roll for classes, just roll for everything. Roll stats in order, roll percentile dices for feats. Randomness is good. And when the party dies from the unplayable mess that results, maybe the GM will let you actually play the character you want.
I don't know - in the GM's defence, with a group that can optimize (like the OP claimed), a small curveball like rolling for classes is a way to provide a flare to proceedings. I'd say it's actually still pretty unrestrictive.
Although, in lieu of this:
My initial thought is to go cleric 1/empyreal sorcer 1/monk 1
I am bemused to see an OP apparently more knowledgable than some respondents in their advise thread. Not to be insulting; system martery is hardly a basis to judge someone, it's just...odd.
To offer the method I assume (since some people don't seem aware): The method would be to take a race with a 2nd level SLA (since SLA qualification isn't inclusive but precise) and then take the inquisition that gives augury on the cleric side.Now, to be more on topic:
Going 8 to 20, the use of Theurge to back you up may prove awkward, mostly by virtue that the benefits will start to taper away 14th level onwards. Using it to gish is further awkward as you have a lot of different buffs to manage and handle to make the front line.
That said, at those levels - quicken is a thing. So is extend. So is...so forth; if you build it into the oddest gish, I honestly think you can make it function. Especially in lieu of guided hand. Possibly make the slack by just hopping into Eldritch Knight right after Mystic Theurge (qualifying using the Sohei Archetype).
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If you are going to roll for classes, just roll for everything. Roll stats in order, roll percentile dices for feats. Randomness is good. And when the party dies from the unplayable mess that results, maybe the GM will let you actually play the character you want.Awwww. Well all good things must come to an end.
Sorry, but this seems like a TERRIBLE idea. Someone should point that out. Random multiclassing is mechanically weak and can result in character that have no narrative reason to have been developed that way.
It's bad from a optimization AND RP point of view.
But if you have fun with it, go for it.
If you are going to roll for classes, just roll for everything. Roll stats in order, roll percentile dices for feats. Randomness is good. And when the party dies from the unplayable mess that results, maybe the GM will let you actually play the character you want.Awwww. Well all good things must come to an end.Sorry, but this seems like a TERRIBLE idea. Someone should point that out. Random multiclassing is mechanically weak and can result in character that have no narrative reason to have been developed that way.
It's bad from a optimization AND RP point of view.
But if you have fun with it, go for it.
The latter there - sure, that's anyone's boat to sail however they like; the former point there - I think you're right, but I disagree on the severity. I don't think it has absolute guarantee to create unplayable characters; indeed, with point buy and races still up for choice, I find myself thinking that it has less chance to do it than point buy.
Admittedly, partially because since I saw this thread, I've been trying to work out how to make various random combinations work in my head. Some are obviously easy (Fighter/Wizard), some are odder - demanding a delve into system knowledge (Magus/Monk - perhaps Sensei?).
Hey, it's an interesting challenge. At least you still have the flexibility to decide which class to focus on and which class(es) to limit to as low a level as is possible -- and the DM should be smart enough to take into account that your characters are a bit nerfed by the way your background training was divided up. In this case, none of the combinations synergize particularly well, so you are all about even.
Basically, your strongest option is to pick a single class or prestige class and focus on that to the extent possible. If you are not going with a multiclassing friendly prestige class, that means that you want to divide your levels 6/1/1.
Mystic theurge (combining cleric and sorcerer spellcasting) is the only applicable multiclassing friendly prestige class in core Pathfinder -- so you would want to qualify for that class with as few cleric and/or sorcerer levels as you can get away with. Others have already covered that option.
For a prestige classes that are friendly to multiclassing monks, you would again have to go back to D&D 3.5 for options like Enlightened Fist or Sacred Fist.
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That's a rather narrow and negative point of view. The people I play with would view this a fun chance to do something different. Not an obstacle, but an opportunity.
Again, if you have fun with it, go for it. There is no such thing as Badwrongfun. It's flawed from an optimization and narrative standpoint. My initial comment was overly snarky, but I stand by this being a bad idea. But for a one shot, go with it.
Out of curiosity, what happens when you roll a Druid/Paladin?
That's a rather narrow and negative point of view. The people I play with would view this a fun chance to do something different. Not an obstacle, but an opportunity.
Ditto here - sometimes just doing same old same old is the problem, and changing it up a bit keeps things fresh. Like challenging yourself to play a two-stick arcade game with your hands crossed over. Starting characters off in a situation the players are totally unprepared for ("Right. Now get out of *that*.") is a particular favorite of mine, too.
personally, my choice would be the same as the direction you were leaning... looking at the party make-up you'll probably want to think of yourself primarily as a cleric/divine caster... monk 1 adds some great survivability for an arcane caster and even being a minimum of 1 spell level behind the witch or other clerics you'll have a lot of spells you can kick out. remember that level based abilities (like channel or flurry) are likely going to be worthless, so trade them away through archetypes. i'd probably do something like:
CG plumekith aasimar
monk [martial artist/sensei] 1/cleric [divine strategist] 1/empyreal sorcerer 1/MT 5
domain: trickery (since you need the SLA)
traits: magical knack [cleric], whatever else
you'll have to talk to the other casters to see where you'll want to focus your feats/spell use... the wiz/alch will probably just take 1 level of mindchemist for the cognatogen and basically be an even better wizard (so could go anyway a wizard normally does); the gunslinger/summoner will also probably just dip g1 and basically be a typical summoner who can attack with ranged touch if he gets bored (while big E wrecks things)- should be able to count on him for some buffing; and the witch will probably be mostly control (the ranger/bard will probably focus melee and not really be a caster)... so you'll handle heals and status removal and then can also fill in any gaps the other casters left (even being behind a spell level you could use dispel magic for a counterspell build... between the arcane and divine you could kick out a lot of them and it could be a fun/effective focus that the other casters probably haven't considered).
Out of curiosity, what happens when you roll a Druid/Paladin?
Now we're cooking (and derailing - but I'm having fun so, fornicate the authorities)!
Optimising a Druid/Paladin, I would probably go Dwarf to take Stonelord archetype and use the Druid side as a means to get wild shape. Using Shaping Focus to boost it up.As to the alignment issues (that you were actually on about)...fiat? You raise a valid point with alignment restrictions, in all seriousness. Though, as a home game, one would expect the GM would just fiat on through.
For a prestige classes that are friendly to multiclassing monks...
Actually, given non-Monk BAB stacks on for Flurry BAB, I'd say any full BAB prestige class that lacks a song and dance about wearing armour would be fine.
Fate inquisition gives augury as an SLA once per day. Never noticed that before. Mystic Theurge by level 3 if you can get a race with an SLA.
A regular wizard/cleric/MT can have level 6 spells in both classes at level 12 and cast a spell from both classes as a standard action! Epic.
not till 13th, need CL 11 for both to get 6th level spells, BUT you still can't take MT until level 4, since you need 3 ranks in Kn(Arcana) and Kn(religion) first.
Growth subdomain. That's my advice.
Enlarge person as a swift action? Yes please.
That dude who got the gunslinger/summoner won the pathfinder lottery. JS
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So, you randomly rolled that your class was cleric/sorcerer/monk!
Does the GM require that you take at last one level in each class, or do you have the option of taking a certain number of levels in each? If the latter, then the correct answer is that you want to take zero levels in one or two of those classes. Zero is a number.
You could create an interesting martial character by combining Cleric and Monk. Sorcerer is dead weight in that situation.
If you want to create a spell caster then the monk is dead weight. Neither the sorcerer nor the cleric want to be anything but single classed. Theurgy might be fun, especially if you can ditch the monk level.
(I think zero is a placeholder/concept - not a number)
No, mathematically speaking, zero is indeed a number.
I would use those classes to be a cleric with a nice 2h favored weapon and take the feats to be able to flurry with that 2h weapon.
Mainly crusader cleric, a level monk and a level sorc. Most likely tattooed sorc to keep your familiar save.
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Monk and Cleric could synergize quite well into a bad-touch cleric, rolling with Protean or some similar domain for Domain Strike punches.
I've actually done this with a Monk/Cleric of Tsukiyo with the Repose and Madness Domains. I could domain strike stagger, and then Touch of Madness to debuff saves and then follow up with a stunning fist.
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Monk (Sensei) 2
Skill's :
A sensei gains Diplomacy, Linguistics, and all Knowledge skills as class skills.
Advice (Ex)
A sensei’s advice is identical to bardic performance (using oratory), allowing him to inspire courage at 1st level.
Insightful Strike (Ex)
At 2nd level, a sensei may use his Wisdom bonus in lieu of his Strength or Dexterity on attack rolls and combat maneuver checks with unarmed strikes or monk weapons.
Now every thing is off Wis. Will save, Spell DC, AC, and To Hit.
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Get a bronze gong ki focus, dip cleric, focus on monk with ki pool shenanigans. The ki focus lets you turn channel energy uses into ki points. Sorcerer dip for a cool 1st level bloodline power with then pick up Sorcerous Strike to be able to use it with punching. (I recommend protean, but fae is also good.) Grab the Qinggong archetype to get cool ki powers.
If he wanted random character selection/generation, he should have instead started you all off by rolling for your backgrounds via the Ultimate Campaign background chapter. Then have attributes and classes selected based on the background traits/experiences. This would have at least made characters that have some reasonable chance of natural existence.
I will be using the alternate Asimar Archon Blooded for continual flame and the fate inquisition for augury to qualify for theurge at lvl 4....
The Trickery Domain gives you Copycat and will qualify for MT divine SLA. No reason to give up access to all those domain spells.