Weapon Wand with Cure Moderate Wounds Wand in a Bow


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I have a Bard gestalted with Wizard and have three levels of Arcane Archer Prestige class. I'm wondering if I can fire cure spells at my allies with my bow using weapon wand spell. All other threads I read about Weapon Wand spoke of melee weapons so my question hasn't been answered elsewhere. I know Cure Moderate is a touch spell but I'm hoping that the use of my bow would allow it at range within the system. Anyone want to tackle this? We play with fairly heavy house rules but my DM is new to Pathfinder so he would like an outside opinion before ruling.


That's certainly...innovative.

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This question has been asked many time, and here is how its been ruled:

when using the spell weaponwand with a bow or crossbow or any other weapon that uses ammunition, the effects of the wand do not transfer over to the ammunition, as for the ammunition is not the weapon with the wand in it.

you cannot place a wand inside ammunition because ammunition are not classified as weapons, even though they can be used as improvised weapons.


My DM did make that argument, Moospuh. I countered with the fact that my bow is an Endless Ammunition bow and uses its magic to create its own arrows. Using that same line, it shouldn't be too far of a stretch for cure spells to do the same...I hope. As we delve into the "physics of magic" I would like to point out that this would be really awesome.

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My DM did make that argument, Moospuh. I countered with the fact that my bow is an Endless Ammunition bow and uses its magic to create its own arrows. Using that same line, it shouldn't be too far of a stretch for cure spells to do the same...I hope. As we delve into the "physics of magic" I would like to point out that this would be really awesome.

Of course it would be "awesome' who wouldn't want to be able to cast cure safely at range?

It doesn't work though, because the range of the cure spell is touch. You have to be touching your target to cast the spell with a wand.

Weaponwand does nothing save enable you to save a hand in holding your wand. The only way to use weapon wand with a bow would be to embed the wand INSIDE THE FIRED ARROW.... which would be destroyed on a hit. You'd also have to find a way to be shot from the bow WITH the arrow to make use of it. You can see the slight technical problems here.


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Could there maybe be a way to do it using the reach spell metamagic feat?


Good idea, Pocsaclypse. With that feat I could just bypass the whole weapon wand firing heal spells and just heal my allies at range with
Cure Critical Wounds that my Bard side just picked up. I liked the idea and visualization of firing arrows that healed into my allies' back's, but as long as I can heal at range within the rules then how it happens isn't really important to the game play. Thanks.


Before they fixed the Wizard Archetype Spellslinger, it did not specify Ranged Touch Spells, just Touch Spells and while a wonderful bending action of the intent of the class, I did toy with the idea of shooting cure spells out of a gun at my allies for positive effect.


Savior's Arrow:
Inner Sea Gods pg. 215 wrote:


Calling on the power of Erastil, you can fire an arrow that heals instead of harms.

Prerequisites: Ability to cast cure spells, proficient with longbow, worshiper of Erastil.

Benefit: Once per day when you cast a cure spell, you can replace the normal somatic component with drawing a longbow to create a shaft of green glowing light. When you fire the bow as a part of casting the spell and hit your target with a ranged touch attack, the green shaft of light cures the target as if it were touched by the cure spell.

If the DM allows it you could tweak the Savior's Arrow feat to let you cast heals through your bow more than once per day.

Scarab Sages

+1 Moospuh

If "a character who wields the transmuted weapon is also considered to be wielding the wand as well" that means you have to touch with the bow to heal someone, as the bow is a staff.

+1 pocsaclyspe

The feat provides the better effect for ranged heals. (Putting this feat on my Bard's to-get list)


gain a familiar with the valet archetype...it gets

Quote:

Deliver Touch Spells (Su)

At 3rd level, when delivering a harmless touch spell to a willing creature, a valet can move before and after delivering the spell, as long as its total movement does not exceed its speed.

This ability modifies deliver touch spells.

make sure it can fly and has a good movement speed...or cast spells/equip it with magic items to increase it's speed


Yeah, I completely forgot my character's magma mephit familiar could deliver touch spells... That saves me a feat. I guess I just started this thread to talk about how awesome it would be to fire heal spells.

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