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Morning,
searching for nearly one hour but not getting what i want, so hopefully you can help me:
Every Item you get on a chronicle sheet is available for purchase at once, that is clear. In Addition, all "always available items" are available.
On top you can buy an item when you have enough fame to get it from your faction.
If you want to buy an item from an additional source, you have to own a hardcopy or (a print out of) a legal pdf.
But what about the stuff on the chronciles, which becomes available at once to you, that is coming from an additional source?
If it is available at once, it should be available whether you own the book or not. Giving players items they have to pay for (because they need to own the source) would be quite greedy from paizo.
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Is this the one example where the PRD is considered a legitimate source for players?
I'd disagree. The Chronicle sheet unlocks the item for purchase, but I think the player still needs to bring the mechanics for the item, from a standard, legitimate source: a hardcopy or a watermarked PDF. In the same way, a boon might unlock a race for the player, but she'd need to bring a valid source (NOT the PRD).
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Sometimes the item itself has its mechanics on the chronicle, I would think in those instances you would not need to bring the additional resource.
Nathan Meyers
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I believe this is the key. For those items that appear in full on the chronicle, the chronicle is itself the "additional resource" (whether it is a unique item or just a fully reprinted one). If the item is just named, then you still need the source for the item description as normal, the chronicle just gives you (potentially early) access to the item.
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Well, as i agree to the fact that sometimes items are described in full, these items are usually unique items (for example piecemailarmor in "you have what you hold").
Without PRD, i could not GM most of the Szenarios, since i don't own every book, but for that it is written in the introduction of at least all season 5 Szenarios, that you can find all rules in the prd.
But back to topic:
I unterstand the items as a reward for finishing a Szenario. What sense is in a reward, you can not use in some cases?
It makes it even more motivating for players to play a szenario with the perspective to get access to items they usually cannot use (Diablo style loot).
I hope you get my idea.
I never thought about it until a relatively new player complained about it.
Has anyone a link to some "official" ruling?
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In general, the chronicle sheet grants access to items, the same way fame grants access to items. You can buy them. However, to utilize ANYTHING not covered in the Core Assumption for players (i.e. CRB and traits IIRC), you need to have the Additional Resource it comes from.
Now I said in general, because there are items, such as the armor you mentioned, or a certain intelligent sword from Season 4, that is not only granted access to by a chronicle, the chronicle itself IS the Additional Resource, as it has all of the relevant stats for the purchase/use of those unique items.
Core assumptions and what is required to utilize something from an additional resources is fairly well covered in the Guide to Organized Play.
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For players in Pathfinder Society, there is an inherent cost involved. While the PRD is sufficient for GM's to use to run scenarios, it is not an acceptable source for players. A player needs to at least own a copy of the Core Rulebook to play, and in order to utilize something that exists outside of the Core Rulebook, you need an acceptable copy of the source. This is the way that it has always been.
In order for Pathfinder Society to continue to exist, Paizo needs to continue to exist. In order for Paizo to continue to exist, they need to make money, just like any other company does. In order for them to make money, they need people to purchase their products.
As a player, you are not forced to buy any products past the Core Rulebook. No one is forcing you to use any of the additional options that are available - whether it be playing a magus or purchasing an item that has become available to your character on a Chronicle Sheet. If a player makes the choice to utilize content outside of the Core Rulebook, they also assume the responsibility of adhering to the rulings of the campaign and purchasing that source, whether or not they agree with the ruling.
I apologize if it sounds brusque or flippant, but that's just the reality of it.
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Well it sounds a bit brusque, but i don't mind.
Problem is, i don't get your point.
Paizo needs to make money, agreed.
Playing the game needs you to spent money, agreed.
The items on the chronicle are single items. No one pays for single items. Forcing the players to pay for single items means you will loose players. Giving the players one single item will not make additional ressources obsolete, it would even encourage people to buy the stuff if they see it has some cool content. But thats just my oppinion anyway.
And i don't want to make the PRD a sufficient sourcebook for players, don't get me wrong.
But i guess my question is answered. Thank you guys for your help.
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I'm not sure that you're fully thinking through the implications of your view. Are you also proposing that if someone only purchases an item that isn't on a chronicle sheet but that they can afford with their Fame, and that item is in another book, that they also be allowed to ignore the rule about buying the source simply because they're not planning on using anything else in that book? If not, why not? It's exactly the same situation that you're describing. The specifics of whether you gain access to the item from a Chronicle Sheet or from having high enough Fame is completely irrelevant.
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Actually, after re-reading your original post half a dozen times, I think that there was some miscommunication with the original question you posed. Everyone who's been replying has been talking about purchasing items, as that's what it sounded like what you were originally asking about.
However, after re-reading, I think you're actually asking about what happens if your character receives an item on a Chronicle Sheet from outside the Core Rulebook without paying for it. Is that correct?
Presuming it is, I'm not sure that I'm immediately familiar with any Chronicle that gives you a specific item from another book that doesn't also include the stats for the item on the sheet. Is there a specific example that you're asking about?
The only boons I can think of are a few that give you a free item of a specified amount or less. In that case, if you choose to pick an item that is outside of the Core Rulebook, you're still responsible to abide by the rules and purchase a copy of the relevant book.
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The items on the chronicle are single items. No one pays for single items.
I have purchased pdfs in the past solely so I can purchase a single item or learn single a feat/trait. I've usually ended up eventually getting more out of it, but I have paid for a pdf for a single thing from it.
Sure, letting a single item go seems like its no big thing, until they have a dozen such items and none of the legal sources for them and they don't have the actual text for what any of them does so their GMs can't correctly adjudicate how they work in the scenario/situation they're trying to use them in.
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See your point Eric, but i see items on a chronicle more like a reward.
If a player got half a dozen items via chronicle he participated in at least half a dozen szenarios (likely a lot more) and deserves it (my point of view).
Again, PRD gives you the official wording, so in combination with the chronicle to proof your access to the item, and only in combination with it, it is simple to bring the proper rules.
And since a chronicle is bound to a character and not player based, it is not like unlocking items. It is limited to the specific character. If the character dies or retires, item access is gone.
The ruling now is clear to me, but i don't have to like it.
I hope i could at least explain my point of view to you guys.
So Matthew, you got it right from the beginning.
Thanks again guys.
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Note: There are a couple of item boons that are on chronicles that are both very unclear, and do not include the rules for it.
There is an early season chronicle that allows you to buy something thast is only described in the scenario itself, as it is not a standard item.
I managed to catch the GM while he still had the scenario avaialbel (printout in=hand), so we could look the item up, and, oddly enough, it turned out to be a slotted masterwork tool for Intimidate checks. The sidebar explaining it in the scenario was only about 3-4 lines, so it could easily have been printed on the chronicle, but it wasn't.