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Ring of Tactical Precision:
"...anytime the wearer gives or receives a numeric bonus from a teamwork feat or the aid another action, that bonus increases by +1."
So a fighter and a rogue stand side-by-side. The rogue aid's the fighter's to-hit roll against a foe. They both are wearing two rings of tactical precision. Assuming the rogue is successful in his aid attempt, does the fighter get a bonus to his attack roll of:
A. +3 (just one ring, pick one)
B. +4 (one ring [rogue], one ring [fighter])
C. +6 (both rings [rogue], both rings [fighter])
...and why?
The same question could apply to bonuses from tactical feats, such as Outflank, but let's just go with this to make it simple.
A: Like bonuses don't stack.
I would call the same type of ring, with the magic powering it, is the same source.
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I would call the same type of ring, with the magic powering it, is the same source.
...and I can see that viewpoint. My real thought is, however, is option B. Two different people wearing their own rings. One gets an increase to the aid he gives, while the other gets a bonus for the aid he receives. That seems to me to be different sources.
So I looked it up and I really don't like this thing.
You are correct about some bonuses stacking. I am surprised that the ring's bonus is unnamed.
I don't think one person should be able to aid another and give you +6. This is especially true since aid another can be done by more than one person and it can get out of control really fast.
With 3 friends and the "C" interpretation you are looking at +18 to hit, each round!
By RAW, that might be the case though. I have no idea what RAI is.
I would rule that you can only benefit from 1 ring, 1 way per action. That would go back to "A".
But I totally have to give in to arguments for either "B" or "C" as well.
Bonuses from the same source don't stack even if they're untyped.
It absolutely can't be 'C'. Each ring only increases the aid bonus by 1, it doesn't add the aid bonus again.
That said, add me to the rings essentially being the same source, so for me it's 'A'.
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Bonuses from the same source don't stack even if they're untyped.
So if Bob and Charlie both use Aid Another on Al, does Al not get both their bonuses? If they can individually increase the bonus they give then they're good to go.
These are untyped bonuses from magical items. Just because they have the same name/text, doesn't mean they're the same source--if two separate people are wearing them, then they're two separate sources.
If multiple people in the party invest in teamwork feats and invest in this ring, then it does work. There's no reason to penalize people for specializing, they're penalizing themselves already by not diversifying.
edit: specifically with regards to the teamwork feats those wouldn't stack, as it's increasing a bonus that already exists. Aid Another already stacks from different sources so adding individually to those Aid Anothers would (at least I've always played aid another stacking--as in multiple people can aid one).
Sorry, it's A. The rule of same source would apply if you were referencing multiple Bless spells, or multiple Bardic Performances, and the same logic applies. One ring provides a bonus to the fighter.
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Sorry, it's A. The rule of same source would apply if you were referencing multiple Bless spells, or multiple Bardic Performances, and the same logic applies. One ring provides a bonus to the fighter.
The ring isn't providing a bonus to the fighter, the ring is providing a bonus to the aid another bonus being given to the fighter. Multiple aid anothers stack.
That's like saying if two party members have bull's strength cast on them, and both try to break down the same door, only one of them get to benefit from the +4 from the spell.