Level 1 Gunslingers, how to

[Sunshineband]

So I'm trying to build a GS i'm having issues with the ammo. Does the powder horn come with powder in it? I'm trying to figure out how the stuff for the guns work, I just don't know much about it and the wording is confusing. Also can a GS starting pistol get upgraded using the Masterwork spell?

[chaoseffect]

Based on this description of a powder horn, it sounds like its just a storage container to keep your black powder from exploding; looks like black powder sold separately.

The starting pistol can be upgraded via the Gunsmithing feat you get for free:

"Special: If you are a gunslinger, this feat grants the following additional benefit. You can use this feat to repair and restore your initial, battered weapon. It costs 300 gp and 1 day of work to upgrade it to a masterwork firearm of its type."

Note that has the exact same material cost as the spell Masterwork Transformation, but it is actually cheaper to just do it yourself if you factor in NPC spell casting costs. The downside to that is that it'll take you a day to do instead of an hour from the spell.

Is there anything else bothering you about guns in particular?

[prong999]

I have one...

When you buy paper cartridges, is it just the cartridge, or do you buy them with bullets already included? (because it says "bullets or pellets" in the description)

[Sunshineband]

Just how do I get ammo without burning the 150 PFS gives me. It's like 1g/bullet and how many bullets can one thing of gunpowder shoot? At 10g/gunpowder it's pricey.

[prong999]

It's one powder and one bullet per shot. (Yes, that's 11gp per time you fire) However, I believe if you put one skill point into craft: alchemy, you can make powder for half price.

At level one, you really have to manage your ammo. You should probably pick up a sling or something as a back up, and use that on weak enemies.

[Sunshineband]

That's what I thought. In PFS you can't use craft skills can you? Sorry I'm new to the entire thing.

[Deadmanwalking]

In a normal game, Gunsmithing lets you make your own bullets and powder for 1/10 cost...so 1 gp, 1sp per shot. And with one rank in Craft (Alchemy) it lets you make Alchemical Cartridges at 1/2 cost as well, so paper cartridges for 6 gp.

I'm not positive how that works in PFS, though I suspect it's similar (given how necessary that rule is to making Gunslingers work). If it is allowed, it'd be a specific exception to the general 'no crafting' thing...but it still seems likely since there's no PFS thing replacing the Gunsmithing class feature/feat, unlike, say, Wizards and Scribe Scroll.

Check with someone who knows PFS better, or on the PFS board.

[prong999]

Ah, ok, I didn't realize normal bullets were 1/10th.

But I do know that Gunslingers with craft(alchemy) are exceptions to the no crafting rules in PFS.