Bloodrager & Berserker of Society Trait

[PaulH]

Hi

Can anyone please confirm/deny if Beserker of the Society Trait (Pathfinder Chronicles:Faction Guide) can be taken by Bloodragers?

It lists Barbarian/Society as prereqs.

I believe it should be - makes sense, but checking on the detail.

Thanks
Paul H
(Running my Halfling Bloodrager 1/Warpriest 5 Iomedae on Saturday)

[Dame Kerline]

id say yes

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class ability
for the purpose of qualifying for feat prerequisites, feat
abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects

[Rogue Eidolon]

You have rage, but you don't count as literally being a barbarian. Until a better ruling on the "countingness" of the hybrid classes, it looks like the answer is no, just like oracles can't take Exalted of the Society.

[godsDMit]

Dame Kerline wrote:

id say yes

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class ability
for the purpose of qualifying for feat prerequisites, feat
abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects

Are you quoting this from someplace? Cause I would love for Mark to be wrong (sorry Mark :P), but I believe he is correct.

[Rogue Eidolon]

Seth Gipson wrote:

Dame Kerline wrote:

id say yes

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class ability
for the purpose of qualifying for feat prerequisites, feat
abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects

Are you quoting this from someplace? Cause I would love for Mark to be wrong (sorry Mark :P), but I believe he is correct.

I would also love for a clarification that solidly told us exactly when the hybrids count as their parents, so no apology needed!

[Eric Clingenpeel]

RAW, no they can't. It says: Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class ability for the purpose of qualifying for feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects. And a trait is none of those, nor does that trait say you need the rage class feature. The trait requires the character to be a barbarian. Currently the ACG classes don't count as the base classes except for the inability to multiclass. There are some specific exceptions, but the Bloodrager is not one of those.

[Mystically Inclined]

Mark's ruling is how I've been running things in my area, but my Fighter X/Bloodrager 1 would love for this to be wrong as well. We can only hope that when the book comes out this issue will get some clarifying text. :/

[Sammy T]

@eric has the RAW answer--you need to be a barbarian to take the trait.

[The Morphling]

Seth Gipson wrote:

Dame Kerline wrote:

id say yes

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class ability
for the purpose of qualifying for feat prerequisites, feat
abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects

Are you quoting this from someplace? Cause I would love for Mark to be wrong (sorry Mark :P), but I believe he is correct.

They're both correct.

Bloodrage is stated in the Advanced Class Guide playtest document to count as a barbarian's rage.

However, Bloodragers are not stated to count as barbarians.

So, you can't take Berserker of the Society.

However, if you COULD take it, it would apply to Bloodrage the same way it applies to Rage.

[Dame Kerline]

yah i hate how grey they left stuff....ninja counts as a rogue, sams count as cavaliers.....yet they cant define their stance on the new classes

[Jeffrey Fox]

Dame Kerline wrote:

yah i hate how grey they left stuff....ninja counts as a rogue, sams count as cavaliers.....yet they cant define their stance on the new classes

They're still playtest classes. The design team said they would decide what the hybrid classes association with alternate classes would be when the actual rules are released.

They want to take the time to make sure they make the best decision they can.

[kinevon]

Actually, the issue would be resolved, positively, just by allowing the updated versions of the "of the Society" traits from the Shattered Star Player's Guide to be PFS legal.

[BigNorseWolf]

Take it and ask, put up with the table variation. If you're right you keep it, if you're wrong you get something else. If you get something else there's no way to train into it.

[Jeffrey Fox]

kinevon wrote:

Actually, the issue would be resolved, positively, just by allowing the updated versions of the "of the Society" traits from the Shattered Star Player's Guide to be PFS legal.

Yeah that would be nice, and it's something I asked for back when that was released and well before I was a VC.

[godsDMit]

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

Dame Kerline wrote:

yah i hate how grey they left stuff....ninja counts as a rogue, sams count as cavaliers.....yet they cant define their stance on the new classes

They're still playtest classes. The design team said they would decide what the hybrid classes association with alternate classes would be when the actual rules are released.

This.

As far as the original question goes, Id think the actual answer to this and any other questions along with line is 'Not yet', opposed to 'no'.

[The Morphling]

Seth Gipson wrote:

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

Dame Kerline wrote:

yah i hate how grey they left stuff....ninja counts as a rogue, sams count as cavaliers.....yet they cant define their stance on the new classes

They're still playtest classes. The design team said they would decide what the hybrid classes association with alternate classes would be when the actual rules are released.

This.

As far as the original question goes, Id think the actual answer to this and any other questions along with line is 'Not yet', opposed to 'no'.

We still don't really know which way they'll go. It's easily possible either option could end up being their stance.

I am fervently hoping they count as the base classes, as it wouldn't be a balance issue and would enable more interesting feat/ability combos... but who know what Paizo will decide.