The spell Shadow Walk allows the caster to travel great distances quickly it also says.
Shadow walk can also be used to travel to other planes that border on the Plane of Shadow, but this usage requires the transit of the Plane of Shadow to arrive at a border with another plane of reality. The transit of the Plane of Shadow requires 1d4 hours.
My question is, what planes border the plane of shadow?
And where is this documented?
blue_the_wolf wrote: The spell Shadow Walk allows the caster to travel great distances quickly it also says.
Shadow walk can also be used to travel to other planes that border on the Plane of Shadow, but this usage requires the transit of the Plane of Shadow to arrive at a border with another plane of reality. The transit of the Plane of Shadow requires 1d4 hours.
My question is, what planes border the plane of shadow?
And where is this documented?
The Negative Energy Plane, The Etheral Plane, and the Astral Pane.
A lot of information on the different Planes is in The Great Beyond- A Guide to the Multiverse
Golarion uses the concept of two spheres being connected through the Astral Plane.
Reading a little bit about the Inner Sphere & the Shadow Plane in The Great Beyonnd, Negative Energy Plane & Ethereal Plane (this plane is what separates the Shadow and Material Planes) connect direct with the Shadow Plane.
Although I don't think there is anything stopping somebody building a Portal to any of the other Planes just like on the Material plane.
EDIT: Just some formatting.
From Planar Adventures:
PRD wrote: The Shadow Plane is a dimly lit dimension that is both coterminous to and coexistent with the Material Plane. It overlaps the Material Plane much as the Ethereal Plane does, so a planar traveler can use the Shadow Plane to cover great distances quickly. The Shadow Plane is also coterminous to other planes. With the right spell, a character can use the Shadow Plane to visit other realities. The Shadow Plane is a world of black and white; color itself has been bleached from the environment. It otherwise appears similar to the Material Plane. Despite the lack of light sources, various plants, animals, and humanoids call the Shadow Plane home. The Shadow plane, a Transient plane, "overlaps" the material plane and is also co-terminus with the material plane. This means that it, as well as the Etherial plane which functions the same in this regard, is a "mirror world" to the material plane that just functions a little differently and also connects to any other planes that the Material planes connects to. The Material plane directly borders all the inner planes (earth, fire, wind, water, heart, positive, and negative) as well as the two transient planes (Etherial and Shadow) and the Astral plane (technically an outer plane but behaves as a transient), thus those also all border the Shadow plane.
I don't think the Material directly borders all the elemental planes, just Air. And "this plane touches the Material, and the Material touches shadow, ergo A=C" doesn't really work out for planar connections.
Shadow is co-terminus with Material; that means that whatever Material touches, Shadow touches as well. Similarly, Astral is co-terminus with all the planes; it touches everything. The inner planes are nestled around the material plane; the plane of Air is no less connected to the Material plane than the plane of Fire or Positive Energy or any other inner plane. They make up the fabric of the physical world so they need to border the plane of the physical world. And, since they touch the Material plane, and everything that touches the Material plane, by definition, touches the Shadow plane as well, they all touch the Shadow plane.
Kazaan wrote: Shadow is co-terminus with Material; that means that whatever Material touches, Shadow touches as well. Similarly, Astral is co-terminus with all the planes; it touches everything. The inner planes are nestled around the material plane; the plane of Air is no less connected to the Material plane than the plane of Fire or Positive Energy or any other inner plane. They make up the fabric of the physical world so they need to border the plane of the physical world. And, since they touch the Material plane, and everything that touches the Material plane, by definition, touches the Shadow plane as well, they all touch the Shadow plane. My understanding of the Pathfinder Campaign setting's cosmology, they are actually more like shells around the material plan with the Positive/Negative energy being at the cores and then Material/Shadow Planes. Followed by the elements in order: Air, Water, Earth, Fire.
EDIT: That is just the Inner Sphere. The Outer Sphere is connected to the Inner Sphere via the Astral Plane. The Outer Sphere consists of the Abyss touching all Outer Sphere planes and then the other Planes (Elysium, Heaven, Hell, etc...) are inside of this "sphere"
Paizo did not use the same basic concept that WotC did having all of the Elemental Planes touching the Material planes. So of course if you wish to use a different cosmology the effectiveness of Shadow Walk and other spells will be changed accordingly.
|
1 person marked this as a favorite.
|
While the thread that originally discussed it has apparently vanished from the forums, the Wiki gives a critical detail on the nature of the Great Beyond:
In total, there are nineteen major planes that comprise the Great Beyond, modeled as two spheres: the Inner Sphere and the Outer Sphere. Connecting the two spheres is the Astral Plane. The spaces between the primary nineteen planes contain countless demiplanes. Despite the names implying a spherical layout, the planes exist on dimensions incomprehensible to mortals, thus these terms are used to represent the planes in two or three dimensions. The idea of a "series of concentric shells" is just a visual aid to represent the multi-dimensional concept of the Great Beyond in terms that we can fit into our three-dimensional paradigm. It doesn't literally mean that the different planes form an onion-like shape and that only the "inner-most" shell of the four elemental planes directly touches the Material plane. They are each co-terminus with the Material plane and none of them overlap with each other. It's impossible to represent with only three dimensions, let alone two-dimensional drawings, but they haven't invented 9 dimensional paper yet. That doesn't change the fact that the Material plane, and thus both the Etherial and Shadow planes, are co-terminus with all 6 inner planes as well as the Astral plane which is co-terminus with all planes (explain that with the onion model).
Shadow Walk in Golarion cosmology borders the Material Plane, the Ethereal Plane, the Negative Energy Plane, and the Astral Plane. The Dimension of Dreams also seems to qualify and you can perhaps enter the Dead Roads and the Dimension of Time through Shadow Walk. They seem like they should be reachable, but both of them are not that easy to find.
James Jacobs gave a rough answer when asked the question here.
Kazaan wrote: While the thread that originally discussed it has apparently vanished from the forums, the Wiki gives a critical detail on the nature of the Great Beyond:
In total, there are nineteen major planes that comprise the Great Beyond, modeled as two spheres: the Inner Sphere and the Outer Sphere. Connecting the two spheres is the Astral Plane. The spaces between the primary nineteen planes contain countless demiplanes. Despite the names implying a spherical layout, the planes exist on dimensions incomprehensible to mortals, thus these terms are used to represent the planes in two or three dimensions. The idea of a "series of concentric shells" is just a visual aid to represent the multi-dimensional concept of the Great Beyond in terms that we can fit into our three-dimensional paradigm. It doesn't literally mean that the different planes form an onion-like shape and that only the "inner-most" shell of the four elemental planes directly touches the Material plane. They are each co-terminus with the Material plane and none of them overlap with each other. It's impossible to represent with only three dimensions, let alone two-dimensional drawings, but they haven't invented 9 dimensional paper yet. That doesn't change the fact that the Material plane, and thus both the Etherial and Shadow planes, are co-terminus with all 6 inner planes as well as the Astral plane which is co-terminus with all planes (explain that with the onion model).
No, they're pretty straightforward in the elemental planes operating as layers for whatever reason.
Recent threads in General Discussion
|
