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Ok, so shortly, my Legalistic Oracle of Life will be becoming lawful good (she is currently neutral good) and as part of this process, she is either going to draft up a pair of contracts, or employ a Chelish lawyer to do so for her.
There will be 2 contracts, one between her and her deity (actually between her and a high priest of Sarenrae, or perhaps since she is Silver Crusade between her and Ollysta Zadrian) and the other between her and the pathfinder society (which she will insist that her fellow party members sign.)
These contracts, and her turning to Lawful good are part of the character's progression to becoming a Hellknight Signifier.
I'm posting this here for several reasons, firstly I need ideas for the contracts, and they need to have loopholes, as any good Chelish contract would. One clause I do however intend to include in the contract with Sarenrae is that I will not accept any attempt to remove sickness suffered for a breech of the contract (meaning that if my sickness gets removed I am sickened again). Secondly, I want the contracts worded in such a way that they seem like actual contracts, this is something I do not feel that I can accomplish. Thirdly, I want the contract with fellow pathfinders to actually be something that most characters would have no problem signing as I do not want it leading to me not healing anyone.
A little background on the actual character, she is a Chelish born Aasimar exiled from her family due to the taint in her blood. Growing up, she was often assumed to be a tiefling, specifically because the taint is not always apparent. She fights with a scimitar, which is an heirloom weapon, but never does lethal damage if she can avoid it (and as such, she has never in the course of a scenario killed any creature). She is currently 5th level, but will not take signifier until after level 7, as she is a purifier archetype and I want armor training first.
Thoughts?
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Hopefully she'll still be open to the idea of adventuring with party members that don't share her views, and/or don't like contracts.
My Chaotic Neutral worshiper of Rovagug and his Quasit familiar wouldn't exactly see eye-to-eye with a Lawful Good worshiper of Sarenrae looking to become a Hellknight.
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As far as Chaotic anything, this is how I see it: A chaotic character will have less reason not to sign, because they have no consequences for simply signing, though for a chaotic character may go out of their way to non-void the contract.
That being said, any Rovagug follower will have issues with any Sarenrae follower.
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The key question when drafting a contract is a simple one - what do both parties agree to do? In order for a contract to be a contract, each party must agree to confer some benefit upon the other. If you were a new character, I'd recommend a contract that grants spells in exchange for listed services, in regards to the deity.
If you could give me a better idea of what you're looking for there, I'd be happy to help you draft something.
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The key question when drafting a contract is a simple one - what do both parties agree to do? In order for a contract to be a contract, each party must agree to confer some benefit upon the other. If you were a new character, I'd recommend a contract that grants spells in exchange for listed services, in regards to the deity.
If you could give me a better idea of what you're looking for there, I'd be happy to help you draft something.
Well, there would be a restatement of the Explore, Report, Cooperate, possibly including something about pitching in to pay for raise dead, should the need arise, and perhaps a box where one could indicate if they do not wish to be brought back to life.
The contract should also reflect the desire to not be effected by infernal healing or any other spell with the evil descriptor. I'm looking for additional ideas on what should be on the contract.
As far as if a character/player does not want to sign the contract, I will not force them, but I will not be bound to the terms of the contract as far as that PC is considered.
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It does seem like a cool concept, however I feel compelled to point out that LG Silver Crusade Hellknight Signifier Oracle of Serenrae makes almost no sense what so ever.
There are LG paladins of Iomedae that are hellknights - and they would more likely be Silver Crusade then Cheliax as far as faction is concerned, why cannot an Oracle of Sarenrae be a hellknight?
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The key question when drafting a contract is a simple one - what do both parties agree to do? In order for a contract to be a contract, each party must agree to confer some benefit upon the other. If you were a new character, I'd recommend a contract that grants spells in exchange for listed services, in regards to the deity.
If you could give me a better idea of what you're looking for there, I'd be happy to help you draft something.
Well, there would be a restatement of the Explore, Report, Cooperate, possibly including something about pitching in to pay for raise dead, should the need arise, and perhaps a box where one could indicate if they do not wish to be brought back to life.
The contract should also reflect the desire to not be effected by infernal healing or any other spell with the evil descriptor. I'm looking for additional ideas on what should be on the contract.
As far as if a character/player does not want to sign the contract, I will not force them, but I will not be bound to the terms of the contract as far as that PC is considered.
That seems ok, but if I were you I would be prepared for non-lawful characters to sign it to humor you and then proceed to just do whatever they want.
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That seems ok, but if I were you I would be prepared for non-lawful characters to sign it to humor you and then proceed to just do whatever they want.Which is why should they break the contract there should be a clause stating that I am no longer bound by the contract regarding that person.
But then just be careful that your subsequent non-cooperation does not make your character into the disruption.
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But then just be careful that your subsequent non-cooperation does not make your character into the disruption.That seems ok, but if I were you I would be prepared for non-lawful characters to sign it to humor you and then proceed to just do whatever they want.Which is why should they break the contract there should be a clause stating that I am no longer bound by the contract regarding that person.
Well, I would still be a LG worshipper of Sarenrae even without the contract, so there is little I can do to cause a disruption that would not require an atonement.
Should the contract not be signed or should it be breached, I would still likely heal the member who did not sign or breached the contract - I just would not be contractually bound to do so, nor would I be able to get the +4 bonus from the legalistic curse for anything that involves the contract with said PC. I would not want the contract to lead to someone dying and for all intents and purposes, it should be something that most pathfinders would agree to.
I understand the issue with not wanting to accept something that an agent of hell hands you, but if that is the case, would such a character also attempt saving throws vs my healing/channeling? I am still good aligned, would never detect as evil.
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It does seem like a cool concept, however I feel compelled to point out that LG Silver Crusade Hellknight Signifier Oracle of Serenrae makes almost no sense what so ever.There are LG paladins of Iomedae that are hellknights - and they would more likely be Silver Crusade then Cheliax as far as faction is concerned, why cannot an Oracle of Sarenrae be a hellknight?Because there is an order of Hellknights that explicitly incorporates the worship/teachings of Iomedea in it. The same order does not support the teachings of ANY non lawful gods. The Hellknight's philosophies and Senrenrae do not mesh.
Hellknight Paladin is walking the razor's edge already. But I can't see how someone could honest reconcile the main tennants of the HellKnight order with true faith in Senrenrae. And that's ignoring the Senrenrae/Asmodeus being mortal enemies. Because even the Order of the Godclaw still pays reverence to the Iron Prince of Law.
Well, I wouldn't have to be in the order of the Godclaw, plus being an Oracle, I don't really have to be bound to the exact teachings of Sarenrae. Additionally, Sarenrae and Asmodeus are mortal enemies, but they have worked together on at least one occasion, to imprison Rovagug. If the character was a Paladin or a Cleric of Sarenrae, they would likely be more against joining the hellknights for sure, but the character in question has deeply Chelish roots and likely would never make it as a Cleric or Paladin of Sarenrae. She however seeks to redeem Cheliax from the inside, and she sees the Hellknights as a doorway to do that.
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Well, I would still be a LG worshipper of Sarenrae even without the contract, so there is little I can do to cause a disruption that would not require an atonement.
Lawful Good is in fact among the most potentially disruptive alignments, so I would still be careful if I were you. Doubly so if you think that LG cannot do disrupting things without requiring and atonement.
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Well, I would still be a LG worshipper of Sarenrae even without the contract, so there is little I can do to cause a disruption that would not require an atonement.Lawful Good is in fact among the most potentially disruptive alignments, so I would still be careful if I were you. Doubly so if you think that LG cannot do disrupting things without requiring and atonement.
I suppose that would be dependent upon party construction and the mission. Obviously there would be some scenarios that the character would likely never actually play but the same can be said for many characters. If we need to do things like break laws and murder people, such a character would likely be a hindrance.
The contract idea would likely work better for a home game, but it is still something I wish to pursue, even if the contract ends up being between my character and NPCs rather then my character and other PCs at the table.