cmastah |
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Anyone here find that you do the same? It used to be that in my youth, there was pretty much nothing else to do and reading was a great way to get into some pretty awesome story-telling. At first I read stuff like goosebumps, fear street and animorphs stuff when I was really young, then I branched into Christopher Pike's more adult/young teen (based on what cultural view you have of what's adult and what's young teen :P) horror novels. I read some sci-fi novels as well but truth be told, I can hardly remember them (save for obernewytn(sp?), deathworld 3 and one of the doom novels). I got into fantasy novels after reading the hobbit, there was something fairy tale-ish about the story and I think that's what drew me into it. I started reading other fantasy novels but it was hard to find a good one, some of them just felt so....dull.
The thing is, back then, cheap and quick entertainment was just not that entertaining. I had a sega master system (along with an atari, some keyboard that you could insert cartridge games into and some other low tech stuff) even past the PS1 era and late into the PS2 era, I also had an EXTREMELY difficult time getting access to shows and movies so I ended up watching very little media. Today on the other hand, I've got several consoles (not getting the current gen stuff, I've got more unfinished/unplayed games for the old one than I care to admit) and I can easily get access to watch whatever media I want, it's gotten to the point that I get home from work and the first thing I do is pop the PS3 on and start gaming, when I'm done, switch to PC view and pop a DVD in the drive.
I feel like I'm sacrificing good story telling for quick and easily achieved shots of entertainment. It used to be that if I started reading a book (and back then, I really did like most of the Christopher Pike horror stuff), I'd be so entertained I could finish the book in a day or two and my mind would be swimming with the awesome of what I just read for weeks, today it can take me up to a fortnight to finish a thick book like one of the codex alera novels and I hardly take to the book in my free time. I watch stuff like movies and TV shows and I can't help but just switch my brain off automatically (you ever read a review where the author just points out how stupid some of the characters are? Or how the 'subtle' plot was actually quite simple and easy to figure out? It makes you realize just how much you switch your brain off and just accept the garbage you're being fed), video games rarely (if ever) have good storylines, usually probably because a good story comes with a build up of what's going on around you and unless you're willing to read a novel's worth in text (like in planescape...actually apparently from a quote I read somewhere, it's more like THREE novel's worth) they give you a basic rundown: You're part devil, your dad was a devil, today's bad guy was a devil that was involved somehow with your dad, now fight (devil may cry)! Even metal gear solid, as entertaining as it was, the story was pretty simple, the depth came from playing all the games and seeing the sum of its parts rather than individually (and then...you were still stuck with one good story from several games put together).
It used to be that I read about a character who was having doubts, fears and concern that impacted her views and sometimes no dialogue to show it, games have no choice but force it into dialogue and into the face of the character, no view on what's under the hood. I play a video game and at best it's like 'yaaaaay' and then when I turn it off I don't give what just happened in the game a second thought. For me, true art lies in the written word and the places it can take you, from the minds of the characters to the landscapes of the many worlds, everything else just falls flat. I remember reading about characters who DO the research to find out what's happening behind the scenes, today, it's a montage or 'I found a book/googled it'. When I picked up a few novels, I just began to see what I've spent the last decade missing out on for quick shots of empty entertainment, where you meet someone and in the span of three days or less (a couple of hours in a movie's world time at worst...at worst and most prevalent), they're suddenly everything you ever wanted in your life.
And for that, I lament that I don't read as much as I used to.
GeraintElberion |
I found that reading in bed solved this: I read at other times but that 30-minutes-a-day gives me momentum and stops me losing track.
I think the main problem is that adults with busy lives are more mentally fatigued and need to 'unwind' when they have downtime. Kids can 'play' more, physically and mentally, because they don't have succh demanding lives.
Doodlebug Anklebiter |
On the one hand, I recently noticed that I haven't read a book in a month. On the other hand, I am hoping that it is only because I don't much care for the two books that I am reading.
I had a bunch of smarty-pants friends in late high school and college. Almost without fail, when I talk to them 20 years later--lawyers, union organizers, kitchenette salesmen, none of them read anymore. :(
That being said, there are many, many reasons I rue the day that I left Boston and moved back to New Hampshire (which is still better than Old Hampshire) but probably the most important was, living out in the boondocks of East Boston it took me an hour on public transportation to get anywhere, so that was TWO HOURS A DAY where I did nothing but read. And gawk at women.
I don't get in many chances to read for two hours straight anymore. (Or more, accurately, read for an hour straight twice per day.)
cmastah |
I occasionally get a few minutes of free time to read during work, it's how I managed to get through the first codex alera novel. I drive to work and while using your phone is illegal, I'm going to take a guess the law probably frowns on reading while driving too :P. My time is further divided because I've stuck myself on some exercise courses that take a further two hours off my free time (when you step off the treadmill, sometimes you just can't focus clearly enough to read).
A guy I know who finally graduated college (went abroad and then took further courses to put more impressive stuff on his CV(resume?)) still reads a lot, I even found out about Paul S Kemp and RA Salvatore from him (although his current reading list leaves much to be desired....*cough* twilight *cough*). The rest of my buddies read LotR and the Silmarillion, possibly other stuff but I know they at least read those (which surprised me to be honest, I never thought they were the reading type).
I'll try giving reading before bed a shot though. I'm not married but the guys I work with who are, tell me that once you're married, your kids and your wife become massive responsibilities that eat away your freedom (I don't doubt that they love their kids but it sounds like their work has become their new (and only?) excitement).
I'd seriously hate to think that my life could pass me by and I'd miss reading the Silmarillion (I heard it has great story-telling).
GeraintElberion |
New Hampshire (which is still better than Old Hampshire)
For starters.
I am engaged and have a young child and I can attest to having almost no life outside of work/family. The time I spend reading in bed is usually a lovely shared time with my fiance.
Given the authors you have mentioned, I would recommend Patrick Rothfuss as a writer to look out for. Also, the Pathfinder Tales novels are mostly page-turning romps.
Doodlebug Anklebiter |
DungeonmasterCal |
I used to be a voracious reader, especially in my 20s and before. But for some reason that began to tail off, and now I hardly read a book a year (not counting gaming books, and even those I only read the parts I'm interested in).
At this point in my life I know why I don't read as much, and I'm afraid it's too late to try and get back into the habit.
R_Chance |
I read two novels in the last couple of weeks. Lately that's been 3+ months worth of reading. Unusual, but pleasant. I read a book every couple of days growing up. Most of my reading is technical (for teaching / classes) these days. And some for gaming of course, which, come to think of it, is another type of technical reading. Adulthood with wife, kids (even as they technically start to become adults), and career is a time sink. I'm 55. Hopefully retirement will provide more time for reading. And gaming :) As for this website, I spend quite a bit of time reading here. It's how I keep myself awake while I grade papers which I just finished yet another stack of. On to the next :D
cmastah |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_reading
I'm not quite sure speed reading is for me though but thanks for the heads up.
@Geraint, I'll try and find the first of his kingkiller trilogy, I'm actually surprised to find out he's quite famous for a guy who apparently only published three novels (he's working on planescape's spiritual successor?!)...plus he's got a beard and beards are cool :D
For a while about a few months back I was picking up a few novels and getting through them before I stopped and...well here I am. I got through about 5-7 and then I stopped indefinitely. I won't deny though that it does inspire one to want to write his own novel (although it looks like getting published back then was a lot easier than it is today).
GeraintElberion |
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Aaron Bitman |
About 6 years ago, I came to the horrifying realization that reading novels just doesn't thrill me like it used to. Gone are the days when I would read a 900-page trilogy. These days, I read a few hundred pages of a book, get bored of it, and put it down.
Why is that? Several possible explanations come to mind (and perhaps more than one of those reasons are factors). Maybe I tell stories to my kids so much that I get tired of stories. Maybe I've developed a taste for other kinds of entertainment that spoiled me for books. Maybe I've read so many books that the cliches are starting to grow old. Maybe I've just gotten fussier, so that the flaws in writing stand out more for me.
(My limited time, due to parenthood, is no excuse. My high school kept me busy too, so that I had little time to read back then, but I could still stick to a book for as many months as it took to finish it.)
Meanwhile, my old high school friend, who used to detest books, now reads novels voraciously. The world is going topsy-turvy.
Andrew Turner |
The Kindle Paperwhite has actually helped me read more. Like many of you, I often find that bedtime is the first chance of the day to read for pleasure. My Kindle allows me to read in bed with the lights off; on its lowest setting the backlight bleed is very negligible, so my wife can sleep without fighting the table lamp.
It's also very, very light--less pain when I inevitably doze off and knock myself on the nose or forehead.
Andrew Turner |
... Maybe I've developed a taste for other kinds of entertainment that spoiled me for books. Maybe I've read so many books that the cliches are starting to grow old. Maybe I've just gotten fussier, so that the flaws in writing stand out more for me...
Me, too. I still buy the occasional fantasy novel, and I subscribe to the Pathfinder Tales line, but I almost never get more than a chapter in before I feel like I know exactly what's going to happen next.
Coriat |
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Aaron Bitman wrote:... Maybe I've developed a taste for other kinds of entertainment that spoiled me for books. Maybe I've read so many books that the cliches are starting to grow old. Maybe I've just gotten fussier, so that the flaws in writing stand out more for me...Me, too. I still buy the occasional fantasy novel, and I subscribe to the Pathfinder Tales line, but I almost never get more than a chapter in before I feel like I know exactly what's going to happen next.
For a long time now I've been of the opinion that suspense is often used to cover up bad writing in much the same way that spices in the Renaissance were used to cover up bad food.
I don't need any suspense about what note is coming next to enjoy this. For me, it's not now about being surprised, it's about hearing the notes done well. A good book is similar.
I've found myself to have no patience at all anymore for books where the only reason to keep reading is to find out how they end.
cmastah |
For a long time now I've been of the opinion that suspense is often used to cover up bad writing in much the same way that spices in the Renaissance were used to cover up bad food.I don't need any suspense about what note is coming next to enjoy this. For me, it's not now about being surprised, it's about hearing the notes done well. A good book is similar.
I've found myself to have no patience at all anymore for books where the only reason to keep reading is to find out how they end.
I personally have always been a believer in the 'it's the journey, not the destination' kind of thinking, it's why I enjoyed the hobbit so much (I really couldn't care less what the end goal was...heck, I think I either forgot the goal or didn't understand it by the time I got to the middle of the book).
One of the things that can carry a book far with me is well developed characters (the hobbit is one of the few exceptions, I just really liked the fairy tale aspect of it), if I can really like the characters and feel there's some depth and humanity to them, I can usually stomach a mediocre book (one example of excellent character design (though I only read the first book and the story itself is also entertaining) would be the codex alera book 1). I like 'human' characters (not necessarily as in racially speaking though), characters whose actions are sometimes not ideal but only because they're just so human, actions that are only flawed BECAUSE they're just so human, or they did the right thing because it's a justice that affects them personally. Books where they don't show us 'what's under the hood' make it hard for me to follow along, where I see characters sometimes react in extreme ways without telling us how the character feels towards what made him react in such a way.
Also? Less ideals and principles and more human-ness. I'm going to fail to connect with a character who starts spouting 'liberty, truth and justice' real quick. Reading about characters who act quickly because a family member is in danger or because they're trying to help suffering people whose pain hurts them emotionally (and that hurts them because they connect/are-connected with those people, not simply because -suffering people!-).
GeraintElberion |
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I love Scissorfight, damnit. But this will, I think, hurt you more than it hurts me...
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cmastah |
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Yeah, if y'all'd been reading Sutter Cane you wouldn't be lamenting you don't read as much as you used to...
I hear his writing really brings the stories to life.
I've actually found a small amount of time during work to do some reading....of manga >.>'
Heheh, I'm actually reminded of a woman I read about who claims she read 25,000 books in her life, that's just amazing :P
Lord Snow |
Heheh, I'm actually reminded of a woman I read about who claims she read 25,000 books in her life, that's just amazing :P
And impossible. First and foremost because of the time it would have taken her (let's be very generous and assume she was, say, 107 when she said that? so she had about 100 years to read? that's 250 books per year). Secondly because I find it hard to believe she started counting right away.
cmastah |
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cmastah wrote:And impossible. First and foremost because of the time it would have taken her (let's be very generous and assume she was, say, 107 when she said that? so she had about 100 years to read? that's 250 books per year). Secondly because I find it hard to believe she started counting right away.
Heheh, I'm actually reminded of a woman I read about who claims she read 25,000 books in her life, that's just amazing :P
Lord Snow |
Lord Snow wrote:Or she could be 91 and read lots per month ;)cmastah wrote:And impossible. First and foremost because of the time it would have taken her (let's be very generous and assume she was, say, 107 when she said that? so she had about 100 years to read? that's 250 books per year). Secondly because I find it hard to believe she started counting right away.
Heheh, I'm actually reminded of a woman I read about who claims she read 25,000 books in her life, that's just amazing :P
What can I say? some people are impossible. I know some very fast readers but nothing as extreme as this... still, I wonder if this lady would be able to answer easy trivia questions about books she read, say, a week before. Find it hard to believe she'd be able to give good answers.
cmastah |
What can I say? some people are impossible. I know some very fast readers but nothing as extreme as this... still, I wonder if this lady would be able to answer easy trivia questions about books she read, say, a week before. Find it hard to believe she'd be able to give good answers.
There certainly are extreme cases, I doubt if you named the first hundred or even thousand books she'd read that she'd remember them.
@Geraint, I'll challenge that: I say it's not possible because the Chinese kept a detailed record of their history, their works alone would've most likely taken a lifespan to read :)
I've actually begun reading another book: wolf brother, though given that I started several days ago and am still on chapter 8, I'd say my reading is taking a massive backseat.
GeraintElberion |
Lord Snow wrote:
What can I say? some people are impossible. I know some very fast readers but nothing as extreme as this... still, I wonder if this lady would be able to answer easy trivia questions about books she read, say, a week before. Find it hard to believe she'd be able to give good answers.There certainly are extreme cases, I doubt if you named the first hundred or even thousand books she'd read that she'd remember them.
@Geraint, I'll challenge that: I say it's not possible because the Chinese kept a detailed record of their history, their works alone would've most likely taken a lifespan to read :)
I've actually begun reading another book: wolf brother, though given that I started several days ago and am still on chapter 8, I'd say my reading is taking a massive backseat.
Turns out you're right: I was recalling an apocryphal quote about Coleridge which has long been debunked.
Since organised manuscript copying began it has been impossible...
It is possible for a modern man to read every word we have of Ancient Greek (including inscriptions, a copy of every inscription found fits on one CD: I have a copy) but only because so much was lost over the years.
Which just means that it has always been more important what you read and, perhaps, how you read than how much you read.
Coriat |
It is possible for a modern man to read every word we have of Ancient Greek (including inscriptions, a copy of every inscription found fits on one CD: I have a copy) but only because so much was lost over the years.
Which just means that it has always been more important what you read and, perhaps, how you read than how much you read.
It's also somewhat amazing how much ancient Greek isn't lost. We may have close to .5% of their literature as a whole, which is pretty impressive. And we've got a much better proportion of the good stuff. ;)
If you wanted to read every surviving Anglo-Saxon poem (Beowulf et al), for example, you could do it in an afternoon.
limsk |
With kids and family and all, anything that needs a longer respite like reading has taken a back seat. I remember when I could go into a book store, come out with an armful of books and magazines and have read them all by the next weekly visit.
These days I probably read most when I am on the porcelain throne...