does overcoming traps / illusions / called creatures / summoned creatures grant experience?


Rules Questions


I'm trying to figure out what challenge types should award experience.


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Summoned creatures, illusions, and other spell effects do not have a CR of their own. They are included in the CR of the caster.
Traps have their own CR, so they would award experience.


Okay, that makes it pretty simple, well except summoned monsters do have a cr...


Well, the creature they are based off of has a CR. The summoned creature's CR is with the one that is able to take 6 seconds to call that treant on your head.

From previous threads on this topic, an important idea was that you can 'defeat' someone without actually murder/death/handcuffing them, but rather by forcing them to escape.

I found myself questioning how you would deal with the XP of a guerrilla summoner, who spammed a couple summon spells, hid themselves, and retreated if their meatshields died in order to mount another, similar attack. Traditionally, I do believe you would only get XP for beating them once, no matter how many hound archons they sic on your rear.

In such a case though, where the summon monster is presented as pretty much a stand alone encounter, I might advise you to treat it like it was a normal monster, since the players would feel cheated otherwise. I mean, does it matter whether that T-rex was real or not, when killing it was just as hard either way, and you were just as likely to die?

Admittedly, having an enemy that literally cheats the players over is a good way to get genuine animosity towards it. Make sure he picks their pockets too, since that is another good way to have them tearing the entire kingdom apart for one guy.


I wasn't sure if maybe the calling vs. Summoning also made a difference, since like... a called demon can use it's summon ability, and they actually die, as opposed to summons. But then i wasn't sure.


When you create your encounter you say, "I will throw this CR7 Wizard NPC against them." You would not suddenly change the CR of the encounter simply because the NPC summoned a monster.

On the other hand, I could see using an NPC that the party would not encounter face-to-face and have it summon monsters the party would get experience for fighting.


Thanks for the help guys.

Lantern Lodge

Out of your examples.. only traps.. the rest are included in the xp for killing the caster.


Sounds good :)


Agree-summoned creatures don't give XP.

In my mind, that's because in an appropriate CR encounter, the supponed creatures aren't super powerful.

Example-
Low levels taking on a real T-rex:
Great scary encounter. Tough, should earn good XP.

Mid levels taking on a summoner capable of summoning T-rex: The T-rex is no longer the threat. Its just a tool.

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