My group and I were lucky enough to encounter (and acquire) Aldern Foxglove during Undead Uprising. I have some questions about his use in the Foul Misgivings scenario.
I don't have access to the cards right now but the scenario card says something along the lines of "Once a character encounters the Skinsaw Man, you cannot play Aldern Foxglove" while the 'At this location' text of the Foxglove Manor location is (from memory) "Reveal Aldern Foxglove to banish all Haunts in front of characters". So the question is: Can the character at the Foxglove Manor still reveal Aldern to remove haunts after someone encounters the Skinsaw Man? To borrow an expression from the RPG, by RAW, I would say this is like revealing an animal for Lini's power and thus it isn't 'Playing' the card but, by RAI, I feel like you shouldn't be able to do this. What do you all think ?
Also, if the character with Aldern is at the Foxglove Manor when someone encounters a Haunt, can you reveal him and banish the Haunt before making the roll to see if you encounter Iesha (thus rolling your d6 with no bonus) or do you have to deal with the whole Iesha thing first ?
One of the things that people sometimes forget is that revealing a card counts as playing it; with that being said, once you encounter the skinsaw man, you wouldn't be able to reveal him anymore (which for spoiler reasons for those of you who are planning to play rise in the rpg form I will not further explain).
One of the things that people sometimes forget is that revealing a card counts as playing it;
That's not always true. Take Lini's power where you reveal an animal to add a d4 to a check. In other threads, it has been clearly said that this is using her power and not playing a card. Now, I just wonder if a 'At this location' action works the same way as a power or not. Maybe since it mentions a specific card, it counts as playing it ... I just don't know.
One of the things that people sometimes forget is that revealing a card counts as playing it;That's not always true. Take Lini's power where you reveal an animal to add a d4 to a check. In other threads, it has been clearly said that this is using her power and not playing a card. Now, I just wonder if a 'At this location' action works the same way as a power or not. Maybe since it mentions a specific card, it counts as playing it ... I just don't know.
I think the distinction is whether you are revealing the card to activate its power (in which case you are playing it) or if you are revealing a card because some other power tells you to (in which case you are not).
In the case of Lini, you are playing her power, not the card it requires you to reveal, whereas in the case of most weapons, you are playing the card.
Based solely on that, I would think that in this case you would be playing the location, not the card it requires you to reveal (Aldern). In this case, the only thing you would be restricted from doing is playing Aldern for either of his "banish" powers.
However, I don't think it's intended to work that way; I think the Skinsaw Man is supposed to specifically revoke the "reveal" power on Foxglove Manor, in which case I wonder if it shouldn't say "you may not reveal Aldern Foxglove" instead.
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Mike, Chad and I all agree that, as currently written, revealing Alden does not count as playing him. We also agree that the best way to change that is to add "this counts as playing Aldern Foxglove" to the location text (on both sides of the card). We also agree that whichever way you choose to play it, it doesn't significantly help or hurt the game.
Changing it means yet another change to a card that really works perfectly fine as-is, and adding that text may potentially confuse more people, so I'm not totally sure it's worth it.
Mike, Chad and I all agree that, as currently written, revealing Alden does not count as playing him. We also agree that the best way to change that is to add "this counts as playing Aldern Foxglove" to the location text (on both sides of the card). We also agree that whichever way you choose to play it, it doesn't significantly help or hurt the game.
Changing it means yet another change to a card that really works perfectly fine as-is, and adding that text may potentially confuse more people, so I'm not totally sure it's worth it.
Fair enough ... Like 'Flat' said, I think the intent was clear enough but sometimes I try a bit too hard to find holes in the game(s).
From the rule book itself: "Anyone can play a card whenever the card allows it. Playing a card means activating that card’s power by revealing, displaying,discarding, recharging, burying, or banishing that card."
So there you go, you have your answer.
But you're not activating the card's power in this case.