Martial Artist + Qinggong Monk


Rules Questions


I'll grant you that thematically this doesn't make much sense, but there seem to be no conflicts between them. Yes, Martial Artist has no ki pool, but at the very least I *think* that a Martial Artist can use Qinggong Monk to switch out High Jump for Slow Fall, which is arguably more useful.

Is there some reason I'm missing that this can't be done?


I think it requires that you have a ki pool, but should check first.


The flavor text would seem to imply so, but there's nothing (that I can see) in the rules about it.

Sczarni

I think they seem compatible. Looking over them a second time it looks alright. The only problem, though you CAN swap out your High Jump for something, but it has to be something that doesn't cost any Ki - Since you won't have a Ki Pool. Slow Fall is definitely acceptable as it costs 0 to activate.

Looks legit to me!


No. See the FAQ on the Quinggong monk:

FAQ wrote:

Monk: Can a qinggong monk take a second archetype if the character doesn't swap out abilities the second archetype requires?

Yes. However, the other archetype takes priority over the various abilities granted at each level, and the character can't delay taking an ability that the other archetype replaces—he must allow the second archetype to replace the standard ability at the standard class level.
For example, the monk of the healing hand archetype (APG) replaces
wholeness of body (7th level)
diamond body (11th level)
quivering palm (15th level)
perfect self (20th level).
A qinggong monk who also wants to take the monk of the healing hand archetype has to let the healing hand archetype replace all four of those abilities at those specific class levels. The qinggong monk is still free to replace any standard monk abilities at the other class levels listed in the qinggong monk archetype (slow fall at 4th, high jump at 5th, and so on), so long as selecting those abilities doesn't interfere with acquiring the healing hand abilities at the correct levels.
Note that if the second archetype replaces a standard monk ability, the character cannot select that replaced ability at a later monk level. For example, the qinggong/healing hand monk can never select wholeness of body, even at a level higher than 7th. In effect, the character has selected wholeness of body at 7th and immediately replaced it with a healing hand ability; as the qinggong archetype only lets you select an ability later if the character "selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability" (which didn't occur), that option is not available for the character.


Ah, dang. So, it looks like RAW, you can take the archetype combo, but the only switches you can make with the Qinggong monk are pretty horrible.

Quivering Palm for 0 ki 'share memory' spell, anyone? :/

Thanks.

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