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I didnt like the enterprise series because it had a spaceship that was too advanced. I liked the 'realistic' feel of the phoenix in first contact.

We need that. No gravity deckplating. Rather gravity is purely a thing that happens when the ship accelerates. That means the back wall should be the floor and the front window should be the ceiling. I want to see a crew who spend their time in ironman armor protecting them from gforces. If it takes four light years to get to the next starsystem then that is the basis for the next four years of the series. Not making it is what happens to them on the trip. Encountering a human colony in interstellar space who are doing a seventy five thousand year trip to proxima a year in would be awesome.
Crew going nuts with isolation in the long arc, even better.


Don't you think the Vulcans would have given SOME technology to give humanity a boost? I don't know my Trek math, but isn't warp speed supposed to get you around the light speed problem?


It's an interesting idea.

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The first Space Command will likely have this kind of feel. It's not a trek universe and has more in common with Space Patrol or Forbidden Planet than Trek, but it looks really interesting. As a bonus, it's starring several trek and Babylon 5 actors.


yellowdingo wrote:

I didnt like the enterprise series because it had a spaceship that was too advanced. I liked the 'realistic' feel of the phoenix in first contact.

We need that. No gravity deckplating. Rather gravity is purely a thing that happens when the ship accelerates. That means the back wall should be the floor and the front window should be the ceiling. I want to see a crew who spend their time in ironman armor protecting them from gforces. If it takes four light years to get to the next starsystem then that is the basis for the next four years of the series. Not making it is what happens to them on the trip. Encountering a human colony in interstellar space who are doing a seventy five thousand year trip to proxima a year in would be awesome.
Crew going nuts with isolation in the long arc, even better.

So you want Big Brother in Space? Would the home audience get to vote on who gets to be Captain for the week? This is already being done with reality shows and the results are annoying and unwatchable. Having it more scripted isn't going to help much at all.


I have a friend who likes the idea of trek ships that are more like submarines in that the internal space is extremely limited.

All the trek shows, even Enterprise had a lot of room to move about.

Why not make ships generally non combat. Everyone is in a crash couch like an Astronaut and it is zero g most of the time. The only problem with that as seen in the movie Gravity is that it can get expensive in a TV show.

The only way to get around it is the ship is testing out Anti-gravity plating or something like.

Not sure about Slow Ships. You would think that when Cocran came out with the Warp drive any ship would have been fitted with it. Any new ship might find a ship floating in space where the warp drive failed and who knows what happened.

Pre-Trek can happen but so far any kind of "science" has failed on trek writers.

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ngc7293 wrote:

I have a friend who likes the idea of trek ships that are more like submarines in that the internal space is extremely limited.

All the trek shows, even Enterprise had a lot of room to move about.

Why not make ships generally non combat. Everyone is in a crash couch like an Astronaut and it is zero g most of the time. The only problem with that as seen in the movie Gravity is that it can get expensive in a TV show.

The only way to get around it is the ship is testing out Anti-gravity plating or something like.

Not sure about Slow Ships. You would think that when Cocran came out with the Warp drive any ship would have been fitted with it. Any new ship might find a ship floating in space where the warp drive failed and who knows what happened.

Pre-Trek can happen but so far any kind of "science" has failed on trek writers.

Problems with this idea:

1. The reason that spaceships, and submarines are far more roomy on the screen then they would be in real life..... You need room for cameras to move around and shoot.

2. The appeal for claustrophic space scenes died with the black and white pulp space movies of the 50's and 60's. The appeal for movies that play out like a Navy documentary never existed.


LazarX wrote:


Problems with this idea:

1. The reason that spaceships, and submarines are far more roomy on the screen then they would be in real life..... You need room for cameras to move around and shoot.

2. The appeal for claustrophic space scenes died with the black and white pulp space movies of the 50's and 60's. The appeal for movies that play out like a Navy documentary never existed.

And yet there have been movies involving Submarines (U-571, Red October amongst others) and the Stargate episode that had O'Neill on a Russian sub. So it is possible to film on one. It is just that people would rather have sets that are much more roomy.

I think there could be a compromise. The ship could be a hybrid to show a ship that is moving from cramped spaces to a few open spaces. Kind of like the Oberth.

Look at the TNG ships. Picards ship had a few cramped places. Janeway's ship had a few. The Klingon ships were always said to be cramped.

I'd say anything is possible if you are willing to work with it.

On the other hand everyone knows no new TV show will be written in Our life times.


ngc7293 wrote:
LazarX wrote:


Problems with this idea:

1. The reason that spaceships, and submarines are far more roomy on the screen then they would be in real life..... You need room for cameras to move around and shoot.

2. The appeal for claustrophic space scenes died with the black and white pulp space movies of the 50's and 60's. The appeal for movies that play out like a Navy documentary never existed.

And yet there have been movies involving Submarines (U-571, Red October amongst others) and the Stargate episode that had O'Neill on a Russian sub. So it is possible to film on one. It is just that people would rather have sets that are much more roomy.

I think there could be a compromise. The ship could be a hybrid to show a ship that is moving from cramped spaces to a few open spaces. Kind of like the Oberth.

Look at the TNG ships. Picards ship had a few cramped places. Janeway's ship had a few. The Klingon ships were always said to be cramped.

I'd say anything is possible if you are willing to work with it.

On the other hand everyone knows no new TV show will be written in Our life times.

The earlier Earth Alliance ships on Babylon 5 followed similar concepts. Cramped conditions in a linear submarine-like environment and often no artificial gravity so crewmembers were strapped into their chairs.

It worked well there because no story was ever really set totally aboard those ships, it was mostly stories happening that the ships happened to be a part of. Whenever they wanted a mainly shipboard story, it tended to be on an advanced vessel such as the Minbari/Vorlon hybrid White Stars or later Earth ships such as the Victory-class Excalibur.

My own preference is for the ships seen in the recent version of Battlestar Galactica, large enough to tell good stories on, and fairly low-tech (mechanical) solutions to the majority of issues. Having artificial gravity aboard the ships tended to feel a bit wrong, but it was also something that was fairly easy to put to the back of your mind and not think about, especially as the alternative would drastically limit what you could do in scenes onboard the ship.

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I could believe gravity on a spaceship if it jumped from inside one planet's atmosphere to the next.

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