Succubus Profane Gift


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Zool wrote:
Zotpox wrote:

Questions

1. How did they survive the grapple. Auto level drain and auto hit with 2 claws + 6d6 at will vampiric touch with each claw.

2. Profane gift is a one off, How did she give more than one?

3. Removeing the profane gift is "at will" and DRAINS (a.k.a. Perminant) 2d6 CHA with no save.

1.No, there's saves to this.

2.No, it's once a day, one creature can only have one.

3.No, it's damage and can be healed.

Well, that was a 4 year *raise thread*.

3.It is drain, and can be healed.

Rather than try to grab an existing one, with the possibility of dealing with allies of the succubus, go instead with a simulacrum. This you can order around, and it must obey uou. Order it to never act against you and your friends, and then give out the profane gift. The let her guard your stuff.

/cevah


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Deadmanwalking wrote:
pad300 wrote:

As a quick note, I'm not at all sure that there should be such major consequences for using/abusing a succubus in this fashion. In game, several NPCs in City of Locusts appear to have done something similar without huge succubus conspiracies to overthrow them.

eg. City of Locusts, Pg. 27 : "Profane Gift(SU) Anemora is under the effects of a profane gift (+2 Con) granted to her by a succubus named Lelaxiss whom she has bound and imprisoned in a distant hidden locale".

Similarly, Areelu Vorlesh has a profane pact with a lilitu demon...

If published NPCs can play this game without huge repercussions, I do kind of wonder why PCs can't...

Uh...all the NPCs in question are actively allied with a Demon Lord, absurdly powerful, and part of the Demonic hierarchy in a sense. And only Anemora seems to have not been friendly with her Profane Gifter. Everyone else is seemingly very friendly with theirs. And even she didn't turn her Succubus to stone, she just stashed her somewhere. For all we know it's very comfortable there, or alternately the succubus is into that kind of thing...

They're on the same side as the demons, so doing this is a lot more workable sans consequences than doing it when you aren't on the same side.

a succubus may grant a profane gift to a willing humanoid creature by touching it for 1 full round.

I am under the impression that the Mistress Anemora (drider/aberration) and Areelu Vorlesh (outsider) would not count as a humanoid creatures (Dragons, Outsiders Aberration, Undead, etc) who can receive a profane gift.


RAW:
While the succubus can only grant her ascension to a humanoid, there is nothing in it that would state that the gift stops working if the humanoid in question is no longer a humanoid later on.
If that was the case, and non humanoid shape change spell or ability could dispell it, which would conflict with the list of what can dispell a profane gift.

If you want to get profane gifted while not being humanoid, it is actually quite easy. Shapeshift yourself, or get shapeshifted into a humanoid shape, have fun with Mrs. Succubus, shapeshift back into your original shape.

As such, Arelu and Anemore could have either received their gifts prior to their change (both of them where humanoid at some point), or they simply shapeshifted into something humanoid when being gifted.


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Mightypion wrote:

RAW:

While the succubus can only grant her ascension to a humanoid, there is nothing in it that would state that the gift stops working if the humanoid in question is no longer a humanoid later on.
If that was the case, and non humanoid shape change spell or ability could dispell it, which would conflict with the list of what can dispell a profane gift.

If you want to get profane gifted while not being humanoid, it is actually quite easy. Shapeshift yourself, or get shapeshifted into a humanoid shape, have fun with Mrs. Succubus, shapeshift back into your original shape.

As such, Arelu and Anemore could have either received their gifts prior to their change (both of them where humanoid at some point), or they simply shapeshifted into something humanoid when being gifted.

Edit for clarity: Dragons, Outsiders, Aberrations, Undead, etc would not count as a humanoid creatures to receive a profane gift.

If a lich wants to accept a profane gift as there is no downside to accepting it being immune to mind-affecting effects and ability drain? Would Alter Self be sufficient to Shapeshift to a humanoid or would a higher level spell like Polymorph/Shapechange be necessary?


Polymorph spells do not normally change your creature type. They give you the form of a type of creature, but do not change your creature type (unless they specifically say so).

A human polymorphed into a dragon would still be Humanoid and would still be subject to Human Bane weapons, but not Dragon Bane and they would still be susceptible to Charm Person spells. Technically, they'd also be able to benefit from enlarge person but that might conflict with the rules on size changing magics stacking (assuming they turned into a dragon of a different size than they normally are).


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The description of Polymorph is vague but it does not work for undead.

Target living creature touched
Description
This spell transforms a willing creature into an animal, humanoid or elemental of your choosing;

There may be a spell that temporary removes being undead from a creature.


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material manipulator Revision (Su) has something about changing a target's type.
"At 20th level, he can instead adjust the target’s type as per greater polymorph. This ability is a polymorph effect]"


Quintus E Deveron wrote:

material manipulator Revision (Su) has something about changing a target's type.

"At 20th level, he can instead adjust the target’s type as per greater polymorph. This ability is a polymorph effect]"

And what does greater polymorph say about changing a creature's type?

Answer:
It doesn't say anything, and that archetype is a great example of how splatbook material can be very wonky and suggest things that are wrong, along with bewildering koan and monkey lunge.


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willuwontu wrote:


And what does greater polymorph say about changing a creature's type?

** spoiler omitted **

Rereading the entry:

Material Manipulator Revision (Su)
"At 14th level, he can adjust the target’s type or subtype, as per polymorph. At 20th level, he can instead adjust the target’s type as per greater polymorph."
Polymorph: transforms a willing creature into an animal, humanoid or elemental
Greater polymorph as Polymorph except that it allows the creature to take on the form of a dragon or plant creature.
RAI: I am guessing they were showing the limit of the form types they can assume.

Polymorph
This thread indicates that polymorph spells do not change a creature's type.
For undead to get a succubus profane gift, the DM would have to create a variant succubus of Orcus, Zura or (Urgathoa?) that could grant the gift to undead and get the Undead Sorcerer Bloodline Arcana: Some undead are susceptible to your mind-affecting spells. Corporeal undead that were once humanoids are treated as humanoids for the purposes of determining which spells affect them.

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