The Morphling
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If you have only a single domain (Sacred Servant paladin, for example) can you take two subdomains for it?
For example, could you choose the Azata and Redemption subdomains? Each one substitutes out certain features of the Good domain, but neither one overlaps.
Essentially - do subdomains work like archetypes, where you can sub out whatever you wish as long as nothing conflicts, or is it a "pick one and only one" deal?
| Mauril |
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Presented in the section below are new rules for subdomains—more specific focuses for clerical worship and power that allow players greater flexibility in customizing their characters. Every domain has a number of subdomains associated with it (see Table: Subdomains for a complete list). Each subdomain replaces a granted power and a number of spells in the domain's granted spell list. Spells marked with an asterisk (*) are detailed in Chapter 5 of this book. A cleric who chooses a subdomain must have access to both the domain and its subdomain from her deity. If a cleric selects a subdomain, she cannot select its associated domain as her other domain choice (in effect, the subdomain replaces its associated domain). Subdomains are treated as equivalent to their associated domain for any effect or prerequisite based on domains. If a subdomain has two associated domains, the cleric can only select the subdomain for one of her domains. Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it).
Emphasis mine.
It's hazy, but my ruling is probably not. Since subdomains effectively replace the domain and count as that domain for pretty much all purposes, and you can't take a subdomain and its domain together, you can't take both.
Some GMs might rule differently, but that's how I see the rules.
| fretgod99 |
Subdomains wrote:
Presented in the section below are new rules for subdomains—more specific focuses for clerical worship and power that allow players greater flexibility in customizing their characters. Every domain has a number of subdomains associated with it (see Table: Subdomains for a complete list). Each subdomain replaces a granted power and a number of spells in the domain's granted spell list. Spells marked with an asterisk (*) are detailed in Chapter 5 of this book. A cleric who chooses a subdomain must have access to both the domain and its subdomain from her deity. If a cleric selects a subdomain, she cannot select its associated domain as her other domain choice (in effect, the subdomain replaces its associated domain). Subdomains are treated as equivalent to their associated domain for any effect or prerequisite based on domains. If a subdomain has two associated domains, the cleric can only select the subdomain for one of her domains. Subdomains can be selected by Druids (except the metal subdomain) and inquisitors (if their deity allows it).Emphasis mine.
It's hazy, but my ruling is probably not. Since subdomains effectively replace the domain and count as that domain for pretty much all purposes, and you can't take a subdomain and its domain together, you can't take both.
Some GMs might rule differently, but that's how I see the rules.
That's pretty much my interpretation, too.
Red Wullf
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If you have only a single domain (Sacred Servant paladin, for example) can you take two subdomains for it?
For example, could you choose the Azata and Redemption subdomains? Each one substitutes out certain features of the Good domain, but neither one overlaps.
Essentially - do subdomains work like archetypes, where you can sub out whatever you wish as long as nothing conflicts, or is it a "pick one and only one" deal?
A subdomain replaces a granted power and the domain spells of one associated domain. If you only have one domain, then by that definition you can only have one subdomain to replace that domain's granted power and domain spells.
Tim Statler
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Tim Statler wrote:As I said in the first post, the Sacred Servant archetype. It only grants one domain, so I can't get both.Azata subdomain can also be taken for the Law Domain, IIRC. so you can get both.
How are you getting Domains for your Paladin anyway?
Ah. Missed that, or more to the point, it meant nothing to me as I don't know that archetype.