Blinding a creature with Dancing Lights


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Sovereign Court

Not sure if it's possible but can you blind a creature with dancing lights?

Grand Lodge

For conditions like Blinded it is usually put in the spells description if the spell can do it as a result of a failed save perhaps. I don't see how it could give a creature the Blinded condition and be rules compliant.

Sovereign Court

So if not granting the blinded condition, would it grant some negatives of some sort? I have a player concentrating four dancing lights orbs around the eyes of an enemy so that the enemy couldn't see past them.

Grand Lodge

A problem with that scenario would be that the spell effect doesn't state that it can block vision in a given square or even target a creature.
I feel this is one of those role-play situations players like to specify to gain a significant advantage not listed in the spell.
Keep in mind this is a 0th level spell. I don't see how it could grant any penalties to a creature.

Sovereign Court

Okay. Thanks for the info.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Dancing lights are limited to four lights that resemble torches or lanterns. If you can do it with torches or lanterns, you can do it with dancing lights (except for lighting things on fire or doing fire damage). Otherwise, you can't.

In addition, dancing lights can make spheres that resemble will o' wisps, or a vaguely humanoid shape.

That's it.

Sovereign Court

They were using four lights to cover the enemy's eyes. I have them one round of blind then -2 on attacks after that.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Can you cover someone's eyes with a lantern ? No, except perhaps as a combat maneuver like dirty trick. At the very least, there's going to be an attack roll or reflex save involved.

It's a cantrip. It does what the spell description says it does, anything beyond that is GM call.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

You could use the Blinding Flash feat with the spell Dancing Lights rather than a weapon with GM approval.

Sovereign Court

Okay, thanks. It's a homebrew game and we were just winging it for the most part. I was just curious on the actual ruling.


No dancing lights cannot be used to inflict such a status onto a creature.

Spells do what they say, nothing more. Dancing Lights makes no mention of having any capability of impairing a creature in any way, so it does not.


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Yes. I agree with everyone. Things only do what they say they do and creative use of spells and environment should be discouraged at all costs.

Also, no items should exist unless they are specifically listed in a book. And they only have exactly the properties listed and cannot be used for anything else unless there are rules that explicitly describe that interaction.

There is no sitting condition. And there is no chair in the equipment section. Therefore it is not possible to sit in a chair in Pathfinder.

All rules must be followed, deviation is not tolerated. Resistance is futile.


Remy Balster wrote:

Yes. I agree with everyone. Things only do what they say they do and creative use of spells and environment should be discouraged at all costs.

Also, no items should exist unless they are specifically listed in a book. And they only have exactly the properties listed and cannot be used for anything else unless there are rules that explicitly describe that interaction.

There is no sitting condition. And there is no chair in the equipment section. Therefore it is not possible to sit in a chair in Pathfinder.

All rules must be followed, deviation is not tolerated. Resistance is futile.

So you're suggesting that a 0 Level Spell should be able to impair a creatures sight without any sort of attack roll or any sort of save?

Way to take everyone's position that the OP shouldn't allow a simple spell to become much more powerful than it actually is and run away with it. The issue is one of balance, allowing magic to do more than it says it can just makes martial characters weaker than they already are because they don't have the options to do those sorts of things. So get off your high horse and quit exaggerating the position.

Grand Lodge

The OP stated it is a homebrew game and was just curious of the actual ruling. The actual ruling has been provided.

So unless we want to have this moved to the Homebrew/Houserule thread or something it's a dead point to argue creativity>rules compliance or balance>creativity.

There are more appropriate threads for those arguments. I understand RPG enthusiasts tend to take things personal, lets just not do it here. The OP's question was answered.


I know this is an old thread but I thought Id post here in case new people like myself come looking.
A bit more detailed understanding is that Dancing lights give out light like a torch or lantern.
Torches and lanterns only raise the light one level and don't work above normal light.
Light blindness and light sensitivity aren't even effected until Bright Light so normal creatures are also fine in normal light.
So basically dancing lights only up to normal light and everyone is fine in normal light.

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