Goblins: Fey! This would also give hobgoblins more to differentiate them from orcs, and bugbears from ogres.
Giants: Let's see, nature and elemental-themed, sometimes arcane or otherworldly, but human-looking. Fey! Alternatively, their special abilities could qualify them as monstrous humanoids.
Dragons: Wouldn't it actually make a lot of sense for dragon to be a magical beast subtype?
Gnomes: Fey.
Elves: Fey for them, too.
Chimera: Arguably weird enough to be an aberration.
Chimeras would certainly work as an aberration and I wouldn't complain too loudly if dragons were magical beasts. I've long wanted gnolls to be monstrous humanoids.
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Nagas are fey in my headcanon. :)
Classic!Dullahans too, though they'd operate a bit differently from Undead!Dullahans.
Tieflings, aasimar, and the various planetouched are humanoids. Less confusion about how they actually work* that way, and honestly it's just a touch of planes anyway.
(that and their aging rates are the same as their natural race)
*See all the mistaken assumptions about their souls, for example.
Humanoid (planestouched), eh? :)
Gain darkvision and are treated as outsiders for the purposes of charm, hold and dominate person.
Humanoid (planestouched), eh? :)Yep. :)
I actually have that explicitly stated in house rules.
Well, (planetouched).
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So... The planes can change the nature of a man? That is your answer?
Familiars: Animal. Why do they change type anyway?
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So... The planes can change the nature of a man? That is your answer?
Well, non-native outsiders are "shades of good, of evil and of neutrality given life and twisted by the laws of the planes". :)
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I love this board. :-)
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I love that game. :D
Humanoid (planestouched), eh? :)
Good call. I had the thought the other day that this simple change would have simplified so many issues. I got the idea after noticing that Dreamscarred Press changed several of the races into straight-up humanoids with subtypes.
Dragons: Wouldn't it actually make a lot of sense for dragon to be a magical beast subtype?
Would you call a dragon a magical beast to his face?
Would you call a tiefling an outsider?
I would call the tielfling a name before I would cal the dragon one.
Dragons: Wouldn't it actually make a lot of sense for dragon to be a magical beast subtype?Would you call a dragon a magical beast to his face?
"Oh great and fearsome lord among dragons, great beast of all power and magical might, we supplicate ourselves before thee with this offering of wealth/magic/virgins/. Accept our humble gifts and spare our lives in thy service, oh great one."
I dunno, seems pretty respectful to me. I imagine most dragons would be pretty okay with that.
That said, I really personally have no problem with the Dragon type as is, given the rare d12 HD/Full BAB/All Good Saves helps make them the nasty critters they are meant to be, and switching over to Magical Beast's d10/Full BAB/Bad Will Save could be problematic.
I solve a lot of these problems by allowing Type overlaps in my games as needed. For example Dullahans are both Fey and Undead.
Wouldn't dragons as magical beasts change druids?
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If dragon remains a type, it would make sense to make the naga, hydra, wyvern, basilisk, and tarraque into dragons.
If dragon remains a type, it would make sense to make the naga, hydra, wyvern, basilisk, and tarraque into dragons.
I see the tarrasque as more of an aberration or native outsider - this is of course based on his Golarion lore.
If dragon remains a type, it would make sense to make the naga, hydra, wyvern, basilisk, and tarraque into dragons.
*cough* You haven't looked at wyverns recently? Like in the last ten years?
If dragon remains a type, it would make sense to make the naga, hydra, wyvern, basilisk, and tarraque into dragons.*cough* You haven't looked at wyverns recently? Like in the last ten years?
Hey! That slipped my memory somehow. But no, I really haven't had the occasion to wyvern lately. :)
If dragon remains a type, it would make sense to make the naga, hydra, wyvern, basilisk, and tarraque into dragons.I see the tarrasque as more of an aberration or native outsider - this is of course based on his Golarion lore.
Sure. But just based on appearance, and on the creature's origin in the legend of the beast of Taraque, I like to think of the Tarrasque as a primal dragon, like Bahamut, Apep, or Jörmungandr.
I tend to think that Fey should be a subtype of Outsider, in much the same way that Elemental was merged in there.
I tend to think that Fey should be a subtype of Outsider, in much the same way that Elemental was merged in there.
I like that, thought of course in Basic D&D, they were a type of humanoid. Either way, it would specify their good saves.
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Fey are usually considered to be spirits of the natural world, whereas outsiders are spirits of the planes. Fey are perfectly fine as they are, I think.
Fey are usually considered to be spirits of the natural world, whereas outsiders are spirits of the planes. Fey are perfectly fine as they are, I think.
Spirits of the natural world=spirits of the Material Plane. Give them the Native subtype as well. And then in Golarion, there's the First World.
It occurs to me you could actually make a Spirit type, with Outsider being a subtype for beings of the Outer Planes, Fey being for the First world, etc.
You only need a few types.
Humanoid (humans and human variants only; the rest are fey)
Animal
Plant
Construct
Fey (everything that's not one of the above)
:P