If it fits the flavor of the game, it's almost certainly in.The inevitable question... can we reflavor/reskin it? I don't want my ninja wearing PJ's, that's just historically inaccurate.
Your ninja should be disguised as a cleric, samurai or merchant. That would be more historically accurate.
At home in the dojo, maybe he can wear his pjs.
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If it fits the flavor of the game, it's almost certainly in.The inevitable question... can we reflavor/reskin it? I don't want my ninja wearing PJ's, that's just historically inaccurate.Your ninja should be disguised as a cleric, samurai or merchant. That would be more historically accurate.
At home in the dojo, maybe he can wear his pjs.
i'd allow you to reskin your ninja
if you wanted a member of the Hassassinsin
an Apprentice Red Mantis Assassin
a Chelexian Hellstalker
or some other setting appropriate organization or backstory, go ahead
At home in the dojo, maybe he can wear his pjs.
He'll slip in his +1 shadow mithral breastplate, prepared for attackers. With his eyes wide open but without mechanical benefits!*
*Disclaimer, I'd never play a ninja. I'd play a vivisectionist pretending to be a ninja pretending to be a something else. Just to make things overcomplicated but mechanically effective!
But no really, I was trying to point to what comes up now and then. Everyone I know has a different threshold for reskinning. Some guys I know won't allow it at all because source material is uber important to them, and other ones who'd let me play anything I wanted as anything I wanted, even putting faith I won't blow it too far out of proportion as long as I'm willing to explain mechanics and bring my books. Reskinning without permission can lead to a lot of confusion.
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So whats wrong with simply declining to participate in the game and wait until one that you favour comes along?Or are we using the old saying that if you throw enough s$~*e at the wall it will eventually stick?it's not that i require more races
it's that, i refuse to be bound only to the core races, of which, none i will willingly touch without a heavy reskinning of the race and a heavy retooling of their culture, appearance, and other fluff related details
it's not needing more, it's being picky
imagine if there were certain colors you cannot stand with the exception of certain shades, and you would avoid those colors until you found something close to a shade you like.
i hate the Tolkein standard with a passion
at least with planetouched, i have a relatively customizable appearance, customizable series of cultures to work with, and are detached enough from humanity, that i can willingly play them, despite them being otherwise pallette swapped humans
if i did that, i would have to wait forever for a game to come along. or hunt like Artemis on a new moon until i found one that worked
i live on a limited income, DMs are rare in my area, games that fit such tastes are hard to come by. it's even harder to commit to online campaigns, because most of them bear similar restrictions.
Then in your case it's "beggars can't be choosers".
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Then in your case it's "beggars can't be choosers".
In a sense. Even beggar's have dignity and can say no to some things, and dnd is a much different situation. A long time ago I used to think like that, but as I've gotten older I've decided some people just aren't worth it. Now when I feel mistreated I talk about it, and when it doesn't get better I just walk away. I don't have a wide pick of games, but I'm happy enough not having any.
You have a choice, you can always choose not to play, as to start your own, or to use this internet thing.
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Then in your case it's "beggars can't be choosers".In a sense. Even beggar's have dignity and can say no to some things, and dnd is a much different situation. A long time ago I used to think like that, but as I've gotten older I've decided some people just aren't worth it. Now when I feel mistreated I talk about it, and when it doesn't get better I just walk away. I don't have a wide pick of games, but I'm happy enough not having any.
You have a choice, you can always choose not to play, as to start your own, or to use this internet thing.
It's not about dignity. It's about deciding whether or not you can play without the snowflake oryou can't and miss out of playing in a game for a long time.
I think sometimes people forget that DMs are doing you a service by running a game.
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Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)
Neither was I.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)
I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.
It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
i advocate, that if the race is reasonable, such as most human crossbreeds, i'd try to find a way to justify their existence, awakened ponies or cat people may take more effort, i can understand not wanting to devote the effort for an awakened horse
but if the character is a planetouched or other human crossbreed, of which both parent races exist within the setting, soemwhere on the planet or on some connected plane; please find a way to accommodate it
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Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
If you are known for running bad games then you most likely won't get passed the initial voting stage.
Again, the discussion isn't about whether the game is good or bad.
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Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
i advocate, that if the race is reasonable, such as most human crossbreeds, i'd try to find a way to justify their existence, awakened ponies or cat people may take more effort, i can understand not wanting to devote the effort for an awakened horse
but if the character is a planetouched or other human crossbreed, of which both parent races exist within the setting, soemwhere on the planet or on some connected plane; please find a way to accommodate it
You are assuming that all DMs are going to present planetouched beings the way you want them to or the way they are in the book. When a DM presents you with what races are available then that is where you focus your attention on. You can't assume that non presented races and monsters are going to be default. The DM may have a reason as to why planetouched don't exist and its not your job to understand why unless its part of the ongoing campaign.
If you are known for running bad games then you most likely won't get passed the initial voting stage.
Again, the discussion isn't about whether the game is good or bad.
Neither was I.
Okay, quote doesn't fit exactly right, but seriously I wasn't talking about whether it was good or bad.
You are assuming that all DMs are going to present planetouched beings the way you want them to or the way they are in the book. When a DM presents you with what races are available then that is where you focus your attention on. You can't assume that non presented races and monsters are going to be default. The DM may have a reason as to why planetouched don't exist and its not your job to understand why unless its part of the ongoing campaign.Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
i advocate, that if the race is reasonable, such as most human crossbreeds, i'd try to find a way to justify their existence, awakened ponies or cat people may take more effort, i can understand not wanting to devote the effort for an awakened horse
but if the character is a planetouched or other human crossbreed, of which both parent races exist within the setting, soemwhere on the planet or on some connected plane; please find a way to accommodate it
if a DMing is banning Paizo Published content in a Pathfinder Campaign, they better have an explanation for why, and it's the player's right to hear. and it better be more than just "Because i said so."
if both parent races of a feasible hybrid exists, then it would make sense that the hybrid does too
Planetouched might as well have been a fairly standard race since 1st edition
not in the player's handbook, but often produced shortly after in monster manual 1 or 2.
though i dislike tolkein
banning planetouched is as drastic a move as banning an elf or a dwarf. you are talking about a series of races that are a major traditional part of D&D's identity.
it's not that it can be a bad thing
but a D&D setting with no planetouched, has just as drastically different a feel as a setting with no elves, no drow, or no dwarves
if a DM was going to be lazy enough to do lazy splatbook bans because of one or two things they saw they didn't like, they are clearly too lazy to produce their own races.
i have been debating with closed minded DMs for years, and opening up their pallettes. i started back with 3.0
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Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
Why are you trying to associate keeping your game to certain restrictions with being a god or overlord?
I think this is where the disconnect seems to be happening.
If you play a sport and the refs enforce the rules, are they being gods or overlords?
If I present a game that has restrictions and the group agrees to play then it is assumed the group has accepted the terms and conditions. If not, then vote no.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)I remember a long time ago I decided to run a 25 man PUG in WoW. Never. Again.
Sometimes they do you a service by NOT running a game. :)Im not quite sure how thats relevant or useful to the topic at hand. We aren't discussing whether a game is good or bad.It can be quiet a bit of stress and work on your part. Sometimes you do a service unto others by doing something, sometimes you do a greater service unto yourself by not.
That said, that's part of the reason I try to keep it between friends and everything casual and working together rather than being an overlord or god of some sort.
Why are you trying to associate keeping your game to certain restrictions with being a god or overlord?
I think this is where the disconnect seems to be happening.
If you play a sport and the refs enforce the rules, are they being gods or overlords?
If I present a game that has restrictions and the group agrees to play then it is assumed the group has accepted the terms and conditions. If not, then vote no.
in a home game where the DM is not a mindless AI who runs scripts and macros nonstop
players should be allowed to influence the setting
and it would be logical, that more leeway in options would be accepted
planetouched are nowhere near as bad as Awakened horses
wanna see a race in the core rulebook that is just as ridiculous as an awakened horse? if not more? look at the gnome.
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Why are you trying to associate keeping your game to certain restrictions with being a god or overlord?
Because I created this world and I run this game with an iron grip! GRR! Bow before me and do as I say mortal!
I have trouble saying it without the satire, but its about how you run things. A referee just uses what is accepted as the rules, that guy might just run RAW. A god creates and controls everything. An overlord is a megalomaniac. The GM is a guy who sits down with friends with pizza and soda(poison of choice may vary), and gets the chance to make a world and a great story with some friends. How that GM acts could vary pretty greatly, but I'd certainly hope he's friendly and at least a little open. Your there to have fun with your friends, right?
Why are you trying to associate keeping your game to certain restrictions with being a god or overlord?Because I created this world and I run this game with an iron grip! GRR! Bow before me and do as I say mortal!
I have trouble saying it without the satire, but its about how you run things. A referee just uses what is accepted as the rules, that guy might just run RAW. A god creates and controls everything. An overlord is a megalomaniac. The GM is a guy who sits down with friends with pizza and soda(poison of choice may vary), and gets the chance to make a world and a great story with some friends. How that GM acts could vary pretty greatly, but I'd certainly hope he's friendly and at least a little open. Your there to have fun with your friends, right?
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in any sport, such as soccer or football, the Referee is bound by multiple decades of traditional rules of which he or she cannot change
in an RPG campaign. the DM gets to design the world and manage NPC interactions, effectively, playing the role of god. it is a role comparable to many mythological deities, my issue with the DM acting like a god or overlord, is when they flaunt their title and abuse their powers, such as i imagine you would, dear Shallowsoul. as Would Ciretose, MDT, and a few others i will not name.
when given the power. the first test. is not to abuse it. there are just some people, whom just aren't fit to handle the corruption provided by power.
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If it fits the flavor of the game, it's almost certainly in.The inevitable question... can we reflavor/reskin it? I don't want my ninja wearing PJ's, that's just historically inaccurate.
If you mean do I feel bound by rulebook definitions, then that's certainly a "no". I'm more than happy reskinning as long as it's being reskinned to something that still fits in. I'm usually more happy with reskinning then bringing in external rulebooks, when it's possible. As far as "historically inaccurate" goes, then also bear in mind we're talking the history of the setting in question ;)
For this specific example, lets say I've not gone into detail about the oriental-style continent in my setting (it's just a landmass with a name that sits way over there at this point), in which case I'd sit down with the player and see if we can come up with a description of that ninja and their culture between us. When it comes down to rules, we might decide (for example) the rogue rules fit that character best, or might find a third party class that works, or we could end up building a new archetype or even mishmashing parts of things together on the fly to make a new class.
On the other hand, if the player absolutely insists on their ninja coming from a culture of people that hop around on one foot, cover their faces in sparkly paint, and shout "wibble" at one another, and refuses to play any other way... they better start looking for a new game to join.
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if a DMing is banning Paizo Published content in a Pathfinder Campaign, they better have an explanation for why, and it's the player's right to hear. and it better be more than just "Because i said so."
I think "That race just doesn't exist in this setting" is a good enough reason. Just because it's in the core rulebook doesn't mean it exists in every single Pathfinder-compatible setting out there.
If it's a setting I created myself then there's a chance I've replaced elves, dwarves, halflings and/or orcs (or <gasp> even humans!) with something different. They may be reskinned versions of the above so as not to have to bother coming up with new rules, but they'll be called something else and have their own look and culture, and I may not have made equivalents of every race.
Alternatively, I could have picked an existing universe such as The Elder Scrolls, with it's own variants on core races (and again, certain ones missing altogether.)
There's also the (admittedly rare) possibility I've got something very specific planned for that race in-game, and a PC being a member of them just wouldn't work.
To be fair though, I'd have informed them of any core races or classes that didn't exist in the setting (and new ones that do) or were otherwise unavailable for play when they were invited, so presumably if they didn't like the absence of that part of the core they'd have not joined the game in the first place.
I'd like to think (even though it may not be true) that between us, a prospective player and I can find *something* that we both agree will work for them, either from the list of available core races, the list of additional races I've said are common enough for PCs to be a member of, or mutually agreeing on something from outside that list that would fit the general feel of the game.
if a DMing is banning Paizo Published content in a Pathfinder Campaign, they better have an explanation for why, and it's the player's right to hear. and it better be more than just "Because i said so."I think "That race just doesn't exist in this setting" is a good enough reason. Just because it's in the core rulebook doesn't mean it exists in every single Pathfinder-compatible setting out there.
If it's a setting I created myself then there's a chance I've replaced elves, dwarves, halflings and/or orcs (or <gasp> even humans!) with something different. They may be reskinned versions of the above so as not to have to bother coming up with new rules, but they'll be called something else and have their own look and culture, and I may not have made equivalents of every race.
Alternatively, I could have picked an existing universe such as The Elder Scrolls, with it's own variants on core races (and again, certain ones missing altogether.)
There's also the (admittedly rare) possibility I've got something very specific planned for that race in-game, and a PC being a member of them just wouldn't work.
To be fair though, I'd have informed them of any core races or classes that didn't exist in the setting (and new ones that do) or were otherwise unavailable for play when they were invited, so presumably if they didn't like the absence of that part of the core they'd have not joined the game in the first place.
that is reasonable for now, saying you have a specific universe you wish to emulate
or saying you have a surprise for said race
it's better than "because i said so."
but i'd rather increase the number of player options, than decrease them
as long as i can play my cute small framed female characters in your world, and as long as i have options that fit my artistic desires, it is fine. allowing the 8 species of planetouched, their subraces, and alternate bloodlines is usually sufficient for that. unless you have a similar cute human sized race that catches my eye, such as a half-nymph, dhampir, changeling, samsaran or similar creature i can reskin into something palletable.
as long as i can play my cute small framed female characters in your world, and as long as i have options that fit my artistic desires, it is fine. allowing the 8 species of planetouched, their subraces, and alternate bloodlines is usually sufficient for that. unless you have a similar cute human sized race that catches my eye, such as a half-nymph, dhampir, changeling, samsaran or similar creature i can reskin into something palletable.
Given the infinite variety of races I probably haven't even thought about, chances are we'd find either a suggestion from me that works for you, or a suggestion from you I can find a space to plop down a few whatever-settlement-types-they-live-in in an undefined region somewhere.
Given the infinite variety of races I probably haven't even thought about, chances are we'd find either a suggestion from me that works for you, or a suggestion from you I can find a space to plop down a few whatever-settlement-types-they-live-in in an undefined region somewhere.
as long as i can play my cute small framed female characters in your world, and as long as i have options that fit my artistic desires, it is fine. allowing the 8 species of planetouched, their subraces, and alternate bloodlines is usually sufficient for that. unless you have a similar cute human sized race that catches my eye, such as a half-nymph, dhampir, changeling, samsaran or similar creature i can reskin into something palletable.
works fine enough
for example
planetouched can be inserted into any human region, due to being effectively human in all respects, with the exception of a little extraplanar blood. rare enough occurence anyway, but no more odd than a half elf or half orc. most of them work as pallette swapped humans with a few minor cosmetic alterations that may circumstantially be easy to conceal with the right garments.
Given the infinite variety of races I probably haven't even thought about, chances are we'd find either a suggestion from me that works for you, or a suggestion from you I can find a space to plop down a few whatever-settlement-types-they-live-in in an undefined region somewhere.
as long as i can play my cute small framed female characters in your world, and as long as i have options that fit my artistic desires, it is fine. allowing the 8 species of planetouched, their subraces, and alternate bloodlines is usually sufficient for that. unless you have a similar cute human sized race that catches my eye, such as a half-nymph, dhampir, changeling, samsaran or similar creature i can reskin into something palletable.works fine enough
for example
planetouched can be inserted into any human region, due to being effectively human in all respects, with the exception of a little extraplanar blood. rare enough occurence anyway, but no more odd than a half elf or half orc. most of them work as pallette swapped humans with a few minor cosmetic alterations that may circumstantially be easy to conceal with the right garments.
Wouldn't be plane touched, but yes, chances are I would find something you could play without too much difficulty. When you are going for a feel or a theme rather than. I must have this race and this race only, no other can do, now now now ... Then its not that hard, usually some means of fulfilling a feel or theme can be found.
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If it fits the flavor of the game, it's almost certainly in.The inevitable question... can we reflavor/reskin it? I don't want my ninja wearing PJ's, that's just historically inaccurate.
Or maybe if it doesn't fit, what else has the player got?
If I say no ninjas and you come back with a "re-skinned" ninja you call a "winja" you haven't resolved the underlying issue of not wanting that concept in this game/party.
Calling a turd a rose doesn't get rid of the smell.
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Then in your case it's "beggars can't be choosers".In a sense. Even beggar's have dignity and can say no to some things, and dnd is a much different situation. A long time ago I used to think like that, but as I've gotten older I've decided some people just aren't worth it. Now when I feel mistreated I talk about it, and when it doesn't get better I just walk away. I don't have a wide pick of games, but I'm happy enough not having any.
You have a choice, you can always choose not to play, as to start your own, or to use this internet thing.
We finally agree.
No ninjas! And your rogue had better not be caught eating rice.
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Calling a turd a rose doesn't get rid of the smell.
This is what really upsets me, when one person comes up with an idea they really like, and spent some time developing, and another person -- presumably their friend -- looks at it from the standpoint of their own personal preferences and immediately feels empowered to judge it a "turd" because it's not what they, personally, thought of. Never mind of the rest of the group thinks it's pure gold -- if Mr. DM says it's a "turd," well, by golly, it must be!
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Calling a turd a rose doesn't get rid of the smell.This is what really upsets me, when one person comes up with an idea they really like, and spent some time developing, and another person -- presumably their friend -- looks at it from the standpoint of their own personal preferences and immediately feels empowered to judge it a "turd" because it's not what they, personally, thought of. Never mind of the rest of the group thinks it's pure gold -- if Mr. DM says it's a "turd," well, by golly, it must be!
And if I design what I think is a great setting and no one wants to play it because they think it sucks...
I'm not saying you say "That is a turd".
I'm saying if my GM friend says he really wants to play a my little pony setting, a lot of people may love it but I'll pass.
Because no amount of polishing is going to make me not think that smells like a turd, to my tastes.
Because no amount of polishing is going to make me not think that smells like a turd, to my tastes.
Are you aware of what diamonds look like, when they come out of the ground? Being very quick to judge things by first appearance isn't always something to be proud of.
Quick and nasty, the ciretose way.
Look at him though, he has been drinking, he isn't going for it.
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Because no amount of polishing is going to make me not think that smells like a turd, to my tastes.Are you aware of what diamonds look like, when they come out of the ground? Being very quick to judge things by first appearance isn't always something to be proud of.
Kirth I get your position and don't disagree in home games. You aren't inviting people for home game that won't bring you interesting ideas.
That is why you invited them.
But will you concede not all games are home games?
But will you concede not all games are home games?
Not really relevant, insofar as home games, specifically, have been the thrust of the conversation for the last 10 or 15 pages. If we want to talk standardized play, there's always PFS, which has all kinds of rules made in advace, which prevents the DM from unilaterally banning "society-legal" stuff. And if we're talking only some public game in which a DM sets up a booth on a streetcorner and says "Play my way or not at all!" like it's a public service -- the way a lot of people talk -- does that even happen? I've never walked by an "open game" kiosk at the mall or anything, where hopeful strangers line up with characters and get them rejected by the guy behind the counter, knowing that some of them might be judged a "rose" instead of a "turd" and allowed to play.
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Have they been moved because of rain?
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But will you concede not all games are home games?Not really relevant, insofar as home games, specifically, have been the thrust of the conversation for the last 10 or 15 pages. Will you concede that moving the goalposts is an undignified way to retract a statement?
I don't agree we've been talking about home games exclusively for the last 10 or 15 pages.
We've been talking about games.
I'm not saying I don't deserve the snark, but I don't think your point is accurate.
I will concede that if you invite a player you should give them more leeway if you will concede that if you show up at a Con with my little pony you are the problem, not the GM.
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But will you concede not all games are home games?Not really relevant, insofar as home games, specifically, have been the thrust of the conversation for the last 10 or 15 pages. Will you concede that moving the goalposts is an undignified way to retract a statement?I don't agree we've been talking about home games exclusively for the last 10 or 15 pages.
We've been talking about games.
I'm not saying I don't deserve the snark, but I don't think your point is accurate.
I will concede that if you invite a player you should give them more leeway if you will concede that if you show up at a Con with my little pony you are the problem, not the GM.
Or you FLGS.
if you will concede that if you show up at a Con with my little pony you are the problem, not the GM.
My concession would be meaningless in that case; I've never been to a game convention, and don't know anything about them. I can't talk about them in any meaningful way.
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if you will concede that if you show up at a Con with my little pony you are the problem, not the GM.My concession would be meaningless in that case; I've never been to a game convention, and don't know anything about them. I can't talk about them in any meaningful way.
But you are aware there are conventions. And you are aware that there are weekly drop in games at FLGS.
And for a large portion of people, this is how they are introduced to the game and for others this is how they find games.
And this is where the problem primarily occurs.
If a guy is a jerk in your home game, you "forget" to invite him back.
If a guy is a jerk at the weekly FLGS...
You and I don't go to these things, it seems, because of the behaviors we are discussing.
And we have both created great home games full of people who don't introduce disruptive concepts and work to make the game good for all rather than wanting to show how "creative" they are.
It is a non-issue in those settings, because you aren't inviting someone who doesn't share your playstyle.
My entire point is that you adapt to the table, not demand the table adapts to you.
On both sides of the table.
Or you don't play/run at that table and disrupt the fun they enjoy having.
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I would have to say that if you are invited to play a game by someone, you have a bit of extra onus to try to respect the boundaries of the game you were invited to. If you have a really outré concept, then it is incumbent upon you to do extra work to try to make it fit within that setting, and if its something that just can't fit by its very nature, just either find something else, or bow out gracefully if that is the ONLY thing you think you can ever play for some reason.
How much of the MLP-vs-setting-verisimilitude schism (look, I don't know what else to call it) is caused by playing in pre-plotted campaigns and APs rather than stand alone adventures?
A post over on the special snowflake thread gave the example of a political-intrigue-in-Kyonin campaign in which the players all come up with horribly inappropriate PCs. It occurred to me that that such a varied group wouldn't be a problem if played as experienced adventurers who turn up in Kyonin for a single adventure. Of course, that may be my Traveller play style showing.
Gerbil zombies. Of course!
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So all of them can be together, playing that way, and not yelling at the rest of us about how "RAW my narcoleptic awakened gerbil zombie..."
So who's been doing that again? I don't think anyone's suggesting we force Ciretose to play with Awakened Narcoleptic Gerbil Zombies or colorful MLP style ponies.
Gerbil zombies. Of course!
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Small creature, big surprise.... No one will see it coming!
And I honestly and truly wish for everyone to find a group that like how they play.
So all of them can be together, playing that way, and not yelling at the rest of us about how "RAW my narcoleptic awakened gerbil zombie..."
Wait one freaking second Ciretose. I really don't think Zombie's can be narcoleptic, at least not anymore than elves that just meditate for 4 hours.
One a semi more serious note, I am taking the concept of Zombie Gerbils for my Halloween One-Shot game for my group. They will never see it coming.
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Small creature, big surprise.... No one will see it coming!So all of them can be together, playing that way, and not yelling at the rest of us about how "RAW my narcoleptic awakened gerbil zombie..."So who's been doing that again? I don't think anyone's suggesting we force Ciretose to play with Awakened Narcoleptic Gerbil Zombies or colorful MLP style ponies.
Actually the pony thing was stated as something that must be allowed early in the thread.
That is why it keeps coming up.
Small creature, big surprise.... No one will see it coming!So all of them can be together, playing that way, and not yelling at the rest of us about how "RAW my narcoleptic awakened gerbil zombie..."So who's been doing that again? I don't think anyone's suggesting we force Ciretose to play with Awakened Narcoleptic Gerbil Zombies or colorful MLP style ponies.
Actually the pony thing was stated as something that must be allowed early in the thread.
That is why it keeps coming up.
It also gets used, by me at lest, because its a convenient shorthand example that is separated from pretty much everyone's personal campaign so it can be used without being viewed as attacking something that's likely to be personal to someone's campaign.
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WRONG. "Because I said so" IS a valid reason. That's the definition of Rule Zero. All rules are optional. Rules are made to serve the campaign, not the other way around. It's the players choice to accept the DM's style or not.You of course have the option to pout and leave the table if the GM won't allow your hybrid of the week.
I'm all for GM limits being respected, but if a player asks why, "Because I said so" is a terrible answer and neither engenders respect nor indicates that the GM has any for his players. I would recommend avoiding that answer like the plague.