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I'm looking for an adventure path to run for my gaming group, consisting of my four kids aged 9-15.
So far most of the APs I've looked at have much content I couldn't cleanse away without making it pointless (even the backstory in Burnt Offerings is too much).
Legacy of Fire seems a likely candidate from other threads in this vein, with clear good = good, bad = bad, but I like the idea of the winter theme more.
I don't mind combat and scary monsters for the kids (Carrion Crown is TOO scary).
Can anyone with experience of this AP comment?
Thanks in advance, and thanks for not directing me to play 'Toon' instead...
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On the move at the moment, but child endangerment is kind of a thing in this AP.
It can be toned down if you need, but you'll have to put some work into it. Thankfully, these boards are a good resource for AP prep and adjustment. :)
(Kingmaker is another strong contender for a kid-friendly AP, depending on how the NPCs are played)
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On the move at the moment, but child endangerment is kind of a thing in this AP.
It can be toned down if you need, but you'll have to put some work into it. Thankfully, these boards are a good resource for AP prep and adjustment. :)
(Kingmaker is another strong contender for a kid-friendly AP, depending on how the NPCs are played)
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look at KM.
Actually child endangerment might serve as a good role playing fit for my daughter, who wants to play an Inquisitor of Caylen Cailean with the 'freedom fighter' trait!
Unless it's hopeless child endangerment?
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On the move at the moment, but child endangerment is kind of a thing in this AP.
It can be toned down if you need, but you'll have to put some work into it. Thankfully, these boards are a good resource for AP prep and adjustment. :)
(Kingmaker is another strong contender for a kid-friendly AP, depending on how the NPCs are played)
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look at KM.
Actually child endangerment might serve as a good role playing fit for my daughter, who wants to play an Inquisitor of Caylen Cailean with the 'freedom fighter' trait!
Unless it's hopeless child endangerment?
The parts that are hopeless(that is, what's already happened) can easily be dialed down, though the guardian doll may be problematic. If you adjust that one, all the endangerment is something the PCs could possibly stop.
There are some other things, mainly having to help Baba Yaga, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. :)
Reign of Winter has multiple points where NPC's sexuality & relationships are strong elements, particularly sexuality & relationships which don't fall into those conservatively considered 'normal'; i.e. Female Homosexuality & bisexuality, transsexualism & cross-species sexuality. These elements are strongest in 'The Shackled Hut' & 'Maiden, Mother, Crone' so I would recommend reading those if you can before making a final decision. Misogyny is also a fairly strong theme in 'Maiden, Mother, Crone'.
Reign of Winter makes a wonderful 'Fairlytale' AP, but thanks to the efforts of many people, many people these days don't necessarily realize that a lot of the wonder in fairytales was 'things are different/dangerous in these places'...
edit: As Mikaze pointed out, child endangerment does come up. particularly in the first & fifth adventures, again hearkening back to 'Fairytales'.
Both of the 'child endangerment' events I refer to involve the death of children (one of them gets over it) & they both happen 'off stage' so yes, it is fairly hopeless. The first is also the more overt.
My son is twelve & I would be willing to run this with him playing, but I am not you. I have a friend whose son is 14 & I wouldn't run it with him...
At least not without some notable adjustments to the aforementioned second & third adventures.
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As long as I can make the 'non-standard' sexual themes go away without breaking the plot, I'm comfortable with a bit of 'grim in my Grimm's', as it were.
We read the original Little Mermaid to the young ones, so scary fairy tale level content is no problem.
Based on these responses, I think I'll take the plunge.
These boards are the best, thanks for the help!
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i'm running Reign of Winter for my wife and 9 year old daughter, how i will handle the soul bound doll, is it will not be Nadya's daughter, but some nameless peasant, i will give them a chance to rescue Nadya's daughter from the Pale Tower, beyond that its mostly good, there is a wicked old witch in book 2 that has a room full of kids she is going to feed to some trolls, but those are also easily rescued and the sexual themes are all easily down played or eliminated all together and aren't integral to the overall story.
overall Reign of Winter, with only a few tweaks here or there is surprisingly kid friendly, especially with its fairy tale elements.
Kingmaker is also a great choice, but can be very hard to find in book format.
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i'm running Reign of Winter for my wife and 9 year old daughter, how i will handle the soul bound doll, is it will not be Nadya's daughter, but some nameless peasant, i will give them a chance to rescue Nadya's daughter from the Pale Tower, beyond that its mostly good, there is a wicked old witch in book 2 that has a room full of kids she is going to feed to some trolls, but those are also easily rescued and the sexual themes are all easily down played or eliminated all together and aren't integral to the overall story.
overall Reign of Winter, with only a few tweaks here or there is surprisingly kid friendly, especially with its fairy tale elements.
Kingmaker is also a great choice, but can be very hard to find in book format.
I just download the pdf for RoW #1, and It's exactly what I'm looking for in an adventure path.
I hope the Paizo folks realize what an excellent marketing tool these boards are!!
RoW is a wonderfully fun AP. Just wait til you get to 'Rasputin Must Die!'
on the plus side to book 5,
Offhand, most of Legacy of Fire is very light-hearted and all-ages appropriate. The second book has a serious "gnolls are filth-wallowing carrion eaters" angle you'd probably want to tone down a bit, but replace one room with a "garbage pit," don't describe the exact construction of a stingchuck, and I think it's pretty much clear sailing.
Jade Regent is probably worth some consideration. There's a lot of minor tweaks it'd need along the way, but it's mainly a travelogue campaign with greed-motivated human villains and semi-comedic oni.
Kingmaker doesn't have much you'd need to tone down/censor in it, but might not be a great pick anyway because it's a really open-ended hex crawl with constant breaks to essentially stop and play a couple turns of Civilization, which I could see coming off as just really directionless and bookkeeping-intensive for a younger crowd.
Rise of the Runelords is definitely out. Surprisingly horror-heavy general atmosphere, multiple bits with lusty NPCs you'd have to totally hack out.
Past that, I can't speak from experience, but from what I've heard, Shattered Star might be worth looking into too.
Past that, I can't speak from experience, but from what I've heard, Shattered Star might be worth looking into too.
I'm currently running Shattered Star. Basically, there are quite a few parts you would really have to tone down.
First book is fairly clean. Just don't emphasize some points and you'll be fine.
The second book has to do with basically a monument to lust. This could be surprisingly toned down, but it would take a long while to type out.
In the third book there is a troll (who needs to be rescued) hooked up to a machine with his entrails hanging out. This could be toned down to the troll being in a large cage or just strapped to a chair or something.
Also in the third book there are some "non-standard" relationships, as well as many mentions of, um, prostitutes in various stages of animation/reanimation.
Fourth book has some Lovecraftian horror elements that could be, again, toned down.
Fifth book has some of the same issues as the fourth. This one could be the most difficult if your children have overactive imaginations.
Sixth book is squeaky clean.
So, it would be a lot of work, but I think it could be a contender.
Kingmaker can work with the kingdom in the background scenario. Have the kids be the right-hand group to whoever will be the ruler of the stolen lands. Makes everything simpler and encourages exploring and all.
i guess you guys missed the part where he already got book 1 of reign of winter and already decided on that one huh?
i for one think its the best choice outside of kingmaker, which i disagree about not using the kingdom building aspect, most kids would love that part most of all, well that and the rushlight tournament:)
Oh, I did miss that post. Well, hope you and your kids enjoy RoW, OP!
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Both of the 'child endangerment' events I refer to involve the death of children (one of them gets over it) & they both happen 'off stage' so yes, it is fairly hopeless. The first is also the more overt.
To what in the fifth adventure are you referring?
No worries, these suggestions will eventually come in handy, I'm sure!
i totally agree:)
Both of the 'child endangerment' events I refer to involve the death of children (one of them gets over it) & they both happen 'off stage' so yes, it is fairly hopeless. The first is also the more overt.To what in the fifth adventure are you referring?
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Hrm, for some reason I was imagining her as notably younger...
I'm blaming tired & trying to get a Final finished for an accelerated College Class that is due Tomorrow.Yeah, I know I should be doing that instead of fiddling on Paizo's messageboards...
As long as I can make the 'non-standard' sexual themes go away without breaking the plot, I'm comfortable with a bit of 'grim in my Grimm's', as it were.
We read the original Little Mermaid to the young ones, so scary fairy tale level content is no problem.
Based on these responses, I think I'll take the plunge.
These boards are the best, thanks for the help!
I would definitely recommend reading the threads for Shackled Hut & Maiden, Mother, Crone. I know at least Shackled Hut discusses adjustments you can make regarding the Huldra & all Greta requires is that you not have her evidence an interest in a PC. If you decide to change Solveig/Bella into a more hetero-normative pairing, I would recommend Keeping Solveig & changing 'Bella' to 'Burthold', but that is largely because I like the idea of 'saving the Prince' instead of 'saving the Princess' & depending on how many young girls you have playing, they might like it as well. Now the Clocktower encounter does have a rather strong child endangerment aspect to it as well, however this time the PC's are very much in a position to do something about it, which may make for a nice change after the Soul Doll situation. I would recommend that no matter what, the PC's manage to find Thora's brother before the wolves do however, but that is on the journey to Whitecrown, not in Whitecrown.
For Maiden, Mother, Crone; I would say simply have Marislova never have changed from Maroslan & just don't tell the PC's where Forlarren's come from. The Misogyny of the Kostchie worshipers should probably simply be downplayed or rendered more subtle.
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I'm not sure heteronormative alterations is needed. If the kids ask, the simple solution is to say "some girls like other girls more than boys, and some boys like other boys more than girls" and leave it at that. Not to mention you don't need to mention the romantic aspects of the relationship as much (like a big hug instead of kissing).
Though I will admit the idea of "Saving the Prince" does sound like fun. =^-^= It's a cool twist though I think it's happened in Faerie Tales as well in the past. At least, saving the prince from a curse....
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Agreed. Heck, you don't even have to go that far with Solveig/Bella. Just say they're good friends that knew each other from the time Solveig spent in Cheliax, and that Solveig would totally go after her if she weren't critical for the resistance in Winterthrone. The youngin's don't need to know just how friendly they were.
But I do admit, going to save the prince is a good way to turn that particular trope on its ear. It'd be even better if the princess got captured, but when she got to wherever they took her, she decided she wasn't going to wait for anyone to rescue her, and busted out herself.
The domovoi gulag in RMD is pretty scary/creeptastic and might need to be toned down a little bit for a younger audience.
From my experience, the most 'kid-friendly' AP would probably be Legacy of Fire, and its very cool to boot.
Reign of Winter seems to me to be one of the more 'adult' AP's thus far.