Full Attack + Quick Bull Rush + Dwarven Boulder Helm ability

[ericpants]

If I become staggered after using the Quick Bull Rush feat with the helm ability then can I still make a single move or standard action during that same round.

[Corbin Dallas]

I think there is misunderstanding of combat actions here.
As stated in the title "Full Attack + Quick Bull Rush + Dwarven Boulder Helm ability" if you use a full attack you would only have a 5 ft step available here and nothing else. You could not follow your opponent even if you pushed him beyond 5 ft.

[Kazaan]

With Quick Bull Rush, you can use Bull Rush in place of your first iterative attack. But if you're using a Boulder Helmet, you become staggered afterwards and Staggered prevents you from making a Full-Attack. Since you have the option after the first attack of a Full-Attack to either continue the Full-Attack action, or step it down to a standard Attack action and then take a move, he's basically asking if the Staggered condition prohibits him from continuing with the Full-Attack and forces him to step it down (in which case, his Standard or Move action for the turn is subsumed and he cannot follow up with a Move) or if he can complete the Full-Attack since he had already started it before he acquired the Staggered condition.

[blackbloodtroll]

How does this work with things that require you to declare/commit to Full Attack?

Like, Spell Combat.

[ericpants]

Kazaan wrote:

With Quick Bull Rush, you can use Bull Rush in place of your first iterative attack. But if you're using a Boulder Helmet, you become staggered afterwards and Staggered prevents you from making a Full-Attack. Since you have the option after the first attack of a Full-Attack to either continue the Full-Attack action, or step it down to a standard Attack action and then take a move, he's basically asking if the Staggered condition prohibits him from continuing with the Full-Attack and forces him to step it down (in which case, his Standard or Move action for the turn is subsumed and he cannot follow up with a Move) or if he can complete the Full-Attack since he had already started it before he acquired the Staggered condition.

Yes, this is what I was referring to.

[Kazaan]

As it stands, Spell Combat isn't a Full-Attack action; it's either a Full-Round action that involves Full-Attack as a sub-action, or it's a Full-Round action that allows you to make your iterative attacks despite those normally requiring the Full-Attack action to make. In either case, it isn't subject to the Full-Attack prerogative of down-stepping the action to a standard Attack action any more than you could down-step the full-attack at the end of a Pounce Charge and say that the whole Charge action took a Standard instead of a Full-Round.

Furthermore, making a Bull Rush via Quick Bull Rush doesn't require you to commit to Full Attack; you can replace your highest-BAB attack with a Bull Rush and that can be either your only attack in the Attack action, or your first attack in the Full-Attack action. So there's really no comparison there.

It basically comes down to which has priority; the Staggered status or the completion of an action? Honestly, I can't find anything that says which has priority over the other. You could say that Staggered interrupts a full-round action just as easily as you could say that you've already spent the action economy to perform the action.

[Mojorat]

Pretty sure you become staggered right away.

[Mojorat]

Looked At the item you become staggered as soon as you complete the maneuver.

As far as actions that have to be full attack or full round actions your turn stops.

This isn't a good item if you plan to do multiple things.