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It's a bit surprising Paizo didn't list the price of an empty magazine. IMO that makes up most of the price, with the bolts being normal. Unless there's some indication bolts for magazines are abnormal that is.
The wrench in that is that quivers don't even have a price...but unless the rules state you can't reload a magazine, you can because that's a standard fact about magazines. Exceptions exist, but an exception would need to be mentioned.
The magazine listed is an empty one that can hold 5 bolts. "(price for 5 bolts)" just means how many bolts it can hold: "A typical repeating hand crossbow magazine holds five bolts" is 9sp and those that hold more or less would cost differently. Bolts would be 1 cp a piece or 5cp to fill a magazine.
The magazine listed is an empty one that can hold 5 bolts. "(price for 5 bolts)" just means how many bolts it can hold: "A typical repeating hand crossbow magazine holds five bolts" is 9sp and those that hold more or less would cost differently. Bolts would be 1 cp a piece or 5cp to fill a magazine.I read (price for 5 bolts) as saying the bolts cost that. It doesn’t say anything about the magazine needing to be loaded. In fact there isn’t any mechanical mention of loading magazines. Is it one action per bolt like loading a weapon? Who knows,
I read it the way I do as it doesn't say '(price for magazine with 5 bolts)', so IMO it's either telling you the price for the 5 bolts or the magazine that can hold 5 bolts. If it's the bolts, how much is the magazine itself? If it's the magazine, we already have a price for bolts so that makes more sense to me plus I'd find it quite odd to have the magazines sealed and unable to reload them, forcing you to buy sacks of magazines.
As far as reloading a magazine, maybe there is something in the new gun book? I just assumed it was something you do in exploration, but it'd be good to know what it is.
Until I can read the book, I would say it is GM's territory, like a whole many other things in PF2 (definitely looking at RK).
Well the repeating hand crossbow is from an AP and is on archives of nethys if you want to look at it. As for the other magazine and repeating stuff in Gears and Guns, I'll have to wait too.
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Until I can read the book, I would say it is GM's territory, like a whole many other things in PF2 (definitely looking at RK).Well the repeating hand crossbow is from an AP and is on archives of nethys if you want to look at it. As for the other magazine and repeating stuff in Gears and Guns, I'll have to wait too.
Thanks for that. Based on the description of the Repeating trait that mentions "specialized ammunition", I would rule that the price is for a full magazine and that you cannot reload it with usual bolts.
I would also rule that you can use bolts from a not-full magazine to refill another not-full magazine as an Exploration activity (let's say 10 mn, and maybe down to 1 mn with a crit success on a Crafting check - pure GM-fiat).
EDIT - Ouch. Just noticed that a normal bolt is Bulk L, while the magazine is Bulk -. So the price seems to be for an empty magazine. I would then rule that the bolts, though specialized ammunition, have the same price and bulk as the normal bolts listed in the table.
My other rulings would stay the same though.
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I would also rule that you can use bolts from a not-full magazine to refill another not-full magazine as an Exploration activity (let's say 10 mn, and maybe down to 1 mn with a crit success on a Crafting check - pure GM-fiat).
That pretty much follows my thinking too: 10 min seems like the 'standard' for simple exploration actions [affix talismans, repair, ID magic, ect]. Where I would differ is I wouldn't have a roll but I'd allow you to refill all your magazines in that time frame.
PS: I'd also on the fence if some kind of tools are needed. I could see them being simple enough to load without any special tools but I could also see repair and/or thieves tools being used.
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There are a few weapons that use magazines, but no additional rules on it.Until I can read the book, I would say it is GM's territory, like a whole many other things in PF2 (definitely looking at RK).Well the repeating hand crossbow is from an AP and is on archives of nethys if you want to look at it. As for the other magazine and repeating stuff in Gears and Guns, I'll have to wait too.
Even if there are no new rules per se, I'd like to look over their entries to see if there is a pattern to them that might make one reading more or less likely [at least from my perspective]. For instance, if all of them have - bulk and the individual ammo has L bulk, it's a pretty good indicator IMO for it to be just the magazines in the descriptions. It might only be anecdotal evidence but it's better than nothing. ;)