mechanically for max damage yeah, but a whip lets you ignore armor and when they are flat footed it's basically 10 + dex penalty + size penalty... which is pretty easy to hit and range of 15!
I think you're confusing whips with firearms, as whips do no such thing...
They can't HURT anyone wearing armor, unless you invest in feats up through Whip Mastery. Or enchant them with Deadly.
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mechanically for max damage yeah, but a whip lets you ignore armor and when they are flat footed it's basically 10 + dex penalty + size penalty... which is pretty easy to hit and range of 15!
This is a good factor, Though having a weapon that does Slashing and Piercing that you can also throw is handy. I think a scorpion whip does piercing too though, I will have to look at it again. I think they are both sound choices.
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Snag Nets deal damage.
Snag net
Cost 30 gp Weight 10 lbs.
Damage — (small), — (medium); Critical —; Range 10 ft.; Type P; Special trip, see text
Description
This short, wide net is covered in barbed loops and slipknots. It works like a typical net, except it has the trip weapon special feature. If you entangle an opponent and hold the trailing rope, on your turn in place of a melee attack you may make a combat maneuver check to trip against that opponent; if you succeed, you may trip your opponent or deal 1 point of piercing damage to it. The concentration DC to cast while entangled in a snag net is 17 + the spell’s level. The Escape Artist DC to escape a snag net is 22.
Then, there is the Net feats.
Also, an Inubrix weapon costs +5,000 gp.
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It seems tenuous, the net its self doesn't do damage on it's initial attack, and then it's when you do entangle them, you can do a cmd and if succesful you trip or it deals... I'd argue that you can't use sneak attack because it's not your attack that's doing the damage, much like you can't sneak attack with a tangle foot bag ae.
Note that the net does "—" damage, not "0". You can't add to that.
I don't think you can add sneak attack damage to the result of a combat maneuver, though.
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I suppose you could, but it seems like too much investment for such a little pay off.
exotic weapon prof (unless you want to eat the -1)
Then you do your ranged touch
If successful next round you do CMB to trip and then rather than trip em, you do exactly 1pt of damage and then your sneak attack damage if successful...
In the round you set it up, your opponent can get out, someone else can free it from it, or it can ignore the entangled and just beat on ya in general.
Sneak attack just specifies that you do damage, although considering UE is newest, I'd probably go with it. Which is identical to the racial listing you had
"SNAG NET
Price 30 gp
Type exotic
This short, wide net is covered in barbed loops and slipknots. It works like a typical net, except it has the trip weapon special feature. If you entangle an opponent and hold the trailing rope, on your turn in place of a melee attack you may make a combat maneuver check to trip against that opponent; if you succeed, you may trip your opponent or deal 1 point of piercing damage to it. The concentration DC to cast while entangled in a snag net is 17 + the spell's level. The Escape Artist DC to escape a snag net is 22."
but includes added txt for concentration.
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See official PRD entry here.
That is an exotic weapon at the least, and I could see it not being allowed at many tables unless you are playing a Strix (An Uncommon Race)since it specifically Strix Equipment, but sure if your GM allows it he/she deserves the cheese that comes with it.
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nimon the nets far from cheesy, also it's in the ultimate equipment, he just chose that entry because rather than have a value of "-" for weapon damage it listed "see txt"
The weapon its self still does no damage, it's after you hit, and then when you follow it up with a trip CMB, you do a single pt... although since it's a CMB you don't add str/dex etc to this damage and you don't add enhancement because it's not damage roll...
Which makes this far and above cheesy, if not just silly to use as an end of its self... As it stands it's a reusable tangle foot bag.
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nimon the nets far from cheesy, also it's in the ultimate equipment, he just chose that entry because rather than have a value of "-" for weapon damage it listed "see txt"
The weapon its self still does no damage, it's after you hit, and then when you follow it up with a trip CMB, you do a single pt... although since it's a CMB you don't add str/dex etc to this damage and you don't add enhancement because it's not damage roll...
Which makes this far and above cheesy, if not just silly to use as an end of its self... As it stands it's a reusable tangle foot bag.
You don't need to do damage, you are taking a combatant out of the fight, or setting them up for AoOs at the very least.
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Rogues don't use whips because we're too busy being Sapmasters. Non-lethal combat expert rogue was the most entertaining rogue I ever made.
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Just name yourself Edgar Allen Poult. Quoth the raven: "KRAAAAW! KRAAAAAAAAAW!"
I thought about a whip using rogue/ninja a long time.
Guess that could work especially well with fighter Lore warden 2, giving you combat expertise. Eventually you could add moonlight stalker in there, but with the whip feats you gonna be really feat starved.
Remember, there is also the bludgeoner feat and with a whip you could use sap mater too i think, since it deals non-lethal damage. There are also traits for such builds now i think.