Can you use a darkwood buckler with a bow?


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Can you use a darkwood buckler with a bow?


No probably not. Even though it is a light shield a bow is still always used two-handed. I mean I guess you could hold the shield and your bow but you can't actually use the bow until you drop the shield.


Yes. But for bucklers in general not just darkwood ones.

buckler wrote:
Buckler: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler's AC bonus until your next turn. You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm, but you lose the buckler's AC bonus until your next turn. You can't make a shield bash with a buckler.

Dark Archive

Buckler: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it.

Sczarni

You can't make a Buckler out of Darkwood. The Darkwood Buckler in the CRB is actually a Light Shield, not a Buckler.


I think the question is based on the description of the item, not the name.

Darkwood Buckler wrote:
This nonmagical light wooden shield is made out of darkwood. It has no enhancement bonus, but its construction material makes it lighter than a normal wooden shield. It has no armor check penalty.

That sounds like the Darkwood Buckler is actually supposed to be a Darkwood Light Shield.

Darkwood Shield wrote:
This nonmagical heavy wooden shield is made out of darkwood. It has no enhancement bonus, but its construction material makes it lighter than a normal wooden shield. It has no armor check penalty.

The Darkwood Shield is similarly described specifically as a heavy wooden shield, though the name of the item is ambiguous.

By description, the Darkwood Buckler isn't actually a buckler. Also, Bucklers are called out specifically to be made of metal in the Equipment section. I don't know if that's actually supposed to be restrictive, but if it is, you couldn't have an "actual" buckler made of Darkwood, anyway.

So, ultimately the question is whether a Darkwood Buckler is, in fact, a buckler (as the name suggests), or rather a light wooden shield, as the description suggests.

EDIT: Nefreet took a level in Ninja, apparently.

Grand Lodge

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Ravingdork wrote:
Can you use a darkwood buckler with a bow?

Sure you can. But you take a -1 to hit with your bow, and you don't get the buckler's AC bonus any round in which you shoot your bow. Feats might modify this but that is the default result.


LazarX wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Can you use a darkwood buckler with a bow?
Sure you can. But you take a -1 to hit with your bow, and you don't get the buckler's AC bonus any round in which you shoot your bow. Feats might modify this but that is the default result.

You don't take the attack penalty on bows for using a buckler.


So this question was a cunning trap.

Naming a "darkwood light shield" a "darkwood buckler" is guaranteed to be confusing.

Light shields cannot be used with bows, no matter what their names might be.

Get a mithril buckler and lets all it a day.

Grand Lodge

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fretgod99 wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Can you use a darkwood buckler with a bow?
Sure you can. But you take a -1 to hit with your bow, and you don't get the buckler's AC bonus any round in which you shoot your bow. Feats might modify this but that is the default result.
You don't take the attack penalty on bows for using a buckler.

If you make an attack with your offhand while wearing a buckler you take a -1 to hit because of the unbalanced weight.

Unless you can figure out how to hold and fire a bow one handed, than you ARE using your buckler arm.

Dark Archive

Cunning trap, indeed...

I should have guessed given the OP =)

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LazarX wrote:

If you make an attack with your offhand while wearing a buckler you take a -1 to hit because of the unbalanced weight.

Unless you can figure out how to hold and fire a bow one handed, than you ARE using your buckler arm.

But the buckler rules give an explicit exception that you can use a bow while wearing a buckler "without penalty".


From buckler description:
You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so.

-1 penalty is for off hand or two-handed weapons. But these do not include bows or crossbows which have no penalty.

But as is pointed out earlier Darkwood buckler is not a buckler so the point is moot. Stoopid light shield disguised as a buckler.

Grand Lodge

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Avianfoo wrote:

From buckler description:

You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so.

-1 penalty is for off hand or two-handed weapons. But these do not include bows or crossbows which have no penalty.

But as is pointed out earlier Darkwood buckler is not a buckler so the point is moot. Stoopid light shield disguised as a buckler.

Okay you're right on that, you don't get the -1 to hit, but you do lose the shield bonus to AC on any round you're firing a bow.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
Avianfoo wrote:

From buckler description:

You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so.

-1 penalty is for off hand or two-handed weapons. But these do not include bows or crossbows which have no penalty.

But as is pointed out earlier Darkwood buckler is not a buckler so the point is moot. Stoopid light shield disguised as a buckler.

Okay you're right on that, you don't get the -1 to hit, but you do lose the shield bonus to AC on any round you're firing a bow.

No one said you didn't.

Sczarni

You can also use a two-handed firearm without penalty while wearing a buckler (and lose the shield bonus until your next turn).


Unless you twist the meaning to be that the loss of AC is a penalty and therefor doesn't get lost when using a bow or crossbow. :p </sarcasm>

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