Aroden as a legal choice


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Is Aroden a legal choice for a paladin to take as his deity in Society play?

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No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.

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Aroden is not a legal choice for anyone to put in their deity section for pathfinder society.

However, it is required to put him in the deity section for two different religion traits that are legal: Devotee of a Dead God and Faithful Arodenite. Even if you could put down Aroden, you would not gain spells, but I'm curious how you qualify for the aforementioned traits without writing down Aroden since writing down Aroden makes the character illegal.

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Dylos wrote:

Aroden is not a legal choice for anyone to put in their deity section for pathfinder society.

However, it is required to put him in the deity section for two different religion traits that are legal: Devotee of a Dead God and Faithful Arodenite. Even if you could put down Aroden, you would not gain spells, but I'm curious how you qualify for the aforementioned traits without writing down Aroden since writing down Aroden makes the character illegal.

Aroden, or for that matter "my left shoe," is a legal choice for a non-Cleric/Paladin/whatever. A fighter, for example, can worship whoever or whatever he wants.

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Followers of Aroden lost all their powers when Aroden supposedly died. A lot became clerics of Iomedae.

Another character option is to play a non-divine follower of Aroden and fake some of the abilities with magic items. A few followers of Aroden actually did this rather than retreat to another deities mantle.

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I have thought and still may play a cleric of Aroden or rather an Ex-Cleric.

Sure I couldn't heal or channel or do much cleric stuff but when Aroden does come back.. .. .. Season 5 ? ? ? I would ROCK!

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I have a friend who took her paladin of Aroden all the way to level 14 in Society play before the rules change requiring paladins to worship a legal deity. I'm not sure if she ever did change her character, since she doesn't get to play at that high level very often.

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Chris Bonnet wrote:
but when Aroden does come back.. .. .. Season 5 ? ? ?

I see I'm not the only one convinced that Aroden is trapped in the worldwound rather then dead.

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I have a "cleric" of Aroden (which mechanically is an oracle of life who thinks his powers come from a non-dead Aroden)

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Aroden has already been reborn, and is biding his time before revealing himself. I know this because I sat at a table with Aroden reborn last year at PaizoCon.

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Is your sense motive a -2?

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People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is. Thus, he can't be the patron of anyone who receives divine power or class abilities from a deity (like a cleric, paladin, or inquisitor). Sorry. :-(

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I have a sorcerer that worships him without any mechanical effects. Said sorcerer is also not the sharpest bowling ball on the rack.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.

So what I'm hearing you say is that Drandle Drang is secretly Aroden... :P

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Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead.

How much diamond dust does it take to cast raise dead on a god?

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RainyDayNinja wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead.
How much diamond dust does it take to cast raise dead on a god?

he has to WANT to come back... and you need a body to cast raise dead.

;)

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Mark Moreland wrote:
He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.

And with that comparison, I suddenly find myself wondering if Aroden is currently a demon lord.

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Jiggy wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.
And with that comparison, I suddenly find myself wondering if Aroden is currently a demon lord.

No silly, he is implying that his Godhood was taken away and he is mortal again... trapped in some "hellhole" and we have to save him in season 5.

I've always maintained that Osprey is Aroden... just my opinion

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What I am hearing is I need to make a new character that worships Drandle Drang.

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CRobledo wrote:
What I am hearing is I need to make a new character that worships Drandle Drang.

I can see it now.

<Character intro>
I'm <name>. My goal in life is to become Drandle Drang's messenger so I can wake up Pathfinders in the middle of the night and send them on time sensitive, dangerous missions, where the previous group of Pathfinders sent has yet to return. What do you mean "What holy symbol is that?"? It's a symbol of Drang in his youth.
<End intro>

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Even dead your character should be able to support the ideals and teachings that Aroden put forth if your character likes them. That however will not translate into actual divine power however.

Iomedae took over a lot of the holdings and things after his death so perhaps she might make a favourable substitute for a primary deity?

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SCPRedMage wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.
So what I'm hearing you say is that Drandle Drang is secretly Aroden... :P

No, Drandle Dreng is actually Professor Farnsworth. We established that in another thread, months ago.

"Good news, everybody!"

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Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.

Supposedly...

Also, what are Drandle Drang's Domains, what's his favored weapon? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Fromper wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.
So what I'm hearing you say is that Drandle Drang is secretly Aroden... :P

No, Drandle Dreng is actually Professor Farnsworth. We established that in another thread, months ago.

"Good news, everybody!"

Who says he can't be both? :P

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Dreng: "Good news, everybody! We found the lair of the legendary Runelord Krune. We want you to deliver this nice fruit basket as a welcome back present."

Pathfinders: "Runelord? Aren't they way more powerful than us? What if he doesn't like fruit? Isn't this mission a death sentence?"

Dreng: "Oh my, yes."

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SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.

More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.

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LazarX wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.
More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.

You should check out the story on Father Basri in Oppara...Archbishop of Aroden from Taldor:Echoes of Glory.

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Sniggevert wrote:
LazarX wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.
More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.
You should check out the story on Father Basri in Oppara...Archbishop of Aroden from Taldor:Echoes of Glory.

He's Taldan. Taldor if for nothing else, is great for keeping alive offices which have long lost any meaning. Doesn't change anything though, even in Taldor, you're not going to be looking for Temples of Aroden if you need healing, because there aren't any.

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Dylos wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.

Supposedly...

Also, what are Drandle Drang's Domains, what's his favored weapon? Inquiring minds want to know.

my guess?

Death and Madness.
He makes you Mad and you die...

Favored Weapon would be Pathfinders...

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LazarX wrote:
Sniggevert wrote:
LazarX wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.
More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.
You should check out the story on Father Basri in Oppara...Archbishop of Aroden from Taldor:Echoes of Glory.
He's Taldan. Taldor if for nothing else, is great for keeping alive offices which have long lost any meaning. Doesn't change anything though, even in Taldor, you're not going to be looking for Temples of Aroden if you need healing, because there aren't any.

Oh the temple is still there - they just run operas out of it now. Scary, Zombie Operas!

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nosig wrote:
Dylos wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is.

Supposedly...

Also, what are Drandle Drang's Domains, what's his favored weapon? Inquiring minds want to know.

my guess?

Death and Madness.
He makes you Mad and you die...

Favored Weapon would be Pathfinders...

Funniest thing I've read all week.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is. Thus, he can't be the patron of anyone who receives divine power or class abilities from a deity (like a cleric, paladin, or inquisitor). Sorry. :-(

That's a rather disappointing statement. Instead of keeping hope alive, a possible story, you've just flatly closed the book.

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Alexander_Damocles wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is. Thus, he can't be the patron of anyone who receives divine power or class abilities from a deity (like a cleric, paladin, or inquisitor). Sorry. :-(
That's a rather disappointing statement. Instead of keeping hope alive, a possible story, you've just flatly closed the book.

Perhaps that was the intent

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Alexander_Damocles wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is. Thus, he can't be the patron of anyone who receives divine power or class abilities from a deity (like a cleric, paladin, or inquisitor). Sorry. :-(
That's a rather disappointing statement. Instead of keeping hope alive, a possible story, you've just flatly closed the book.

Not really Alex, look for the words left unsaid....

Aroden, God of Humanity Died ...Aroden, The Last Azlanti is alive wondering Golarion in mortal form. No longer a God, yet more human than human....perhaps he's searching for his Mythic quests to complete and return to godhood in another incarnation...

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Alexander_Damocles wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
People keep saying that Aroden "supposedly" died. He really did. He's dead. He's not a god any more than Drandle Drang is. Thus, he can't be the patron of anyone who receives divine power or class abilities from a deity (like a cleric, paladin, or inquisitor). Sorry. :-(
That's a rather disappointing statement. Instead of keeping hope alive, a possible story, you've just flatly closed the book.

Actually it's been stated, repeatedly, by James Jacobs and pretty much anyone who has anything to do with the story development of Golarion, for years now. He's just restating it so people don't get their hopes up for something that won't ever happen.

Even James Jacobs has hinted that, short of Paizo going out of business, the true fate of Aroden will never be revealed beyond those who know it - i.e. most of us will probably never know. A great way to deal with that is to make your own opinions into your characters' opinions and have a great story with how they cope in fruitless, unrequited hoping. It's a compelling story choice for a PC.

My Paladin of Ragathiel is old enough that her parents were Clerics of Aroden, and she had to help them carry on after that fateful day in 4606 AR. She still "honors" the memory of Aroden, but she's moved on by embracing another who she feels embodies part of what he stood for, and uses it to try and make sure that a force of good never falls again.

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Would the paladin archetype Warrior of the Holy Light get around the restriction?

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Nope. Even a paladin with an archetype can't bring Aroden back from the dead. If the other gods can't do it, no mortal stands a chance, Holy Light or no.

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Scott Young wrote:
Aroden has already been reborn, and is biding his time before revealing himself. I know this because I sat at a table with Aroden reborn last year at PaizoCon.

I too have met Aroden reincarnated at a table of mine. That pig gave the oracle his magical healing powers. Aroden is now god of pigs as well as humanity!

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Kiinyan wrote:
Scott Young wrote:
Aroden has already been reborn, and is biding his time before revealing himself. I know this because I sat at a table with Aroden reborn last year at PaizoCon.
I too have met Aroden reincarnated at a table of mine. That pig gave the oracle his magical healing powers. Aroden is now god of pigs as well as humanity!

Pigs, humans, You both taste the same.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
Nope. Even a paladin with an archetype can't bring Aroden back from the dead. If the other gods can't do it, no mortal stands a chance, Holy Light or no.

Mark, I think what he meant was whether a Warrior of the Holy Light needs a living divine patron.

Warrior of the Holy Light:

Some paladins use their gifts to focus on the holy light that shines within their souls. With the gifts of purity and redemption, these paladins spend much of their lives helping others find the true path. Unleashing this power takes patience and comes at a steep price.

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Exiel wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
Nope. Even a paladin with an archetype can't bring Aroden back from the dead. If the other gods can't do it, no mortal stands a chance, Holy Light or no.

Mark, I think what he meant was whether a Warrior of the Holy Light needs a living divine patron.

** spoiler omitted **

Brilliant question, now that I read it.

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LazarX wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.
More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.

How long do Half-Elves and Aasimar live? Couldn't any of them be still alive? Or was the clergy of Aroden restricted to 'pure' humans?

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

I have a sorcerer that worships him without any mechanical effects. Said sorcerer is also not the sharpest bowling ball on the rack.

Why does this sorcerer worship him? If the sorcerer is Human, Aroden was dead decades before the sorcerer was even born. (I'm assuming he's not a Mary Sue Immortal) If the sorcerer is not Human, it makes even less sense as Aroden had no concern for non-Humans, presumably, not even the half-breeds.

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LazarX wrote:

Why does this sorcerer worship him? If the sorcerer is Human, Aroden was dead decades before the sorcerer was even born.

The fabulous Fabrizio worships Aroden because he was taught to by his parents, who were taught to do so by their parents, who were taught to do so by their parents when Aroden worship was centered in his homeland of Taldor.

And look! I can activate cleric items! (He has use magic device)

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Eric Saxon wrote:
LazarX wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
No, because Aroden is supposedly dead, but either way his clergy no longer receives power from him.
More to the point, he doesn't HAVE a clergy any more. Aroden's death happened long enough ago, that all of his clergy died of old age, if nothing else. Aroden died in 4606 AR, it's 4713 now. There simply aren't any hanger on clerics left, since all his clerics were Human. The ones that were around either converted to Iomedae the Inheritor, or lived out their lives as commoners with extra hit die. Aroden's dead, Pharasma has written the certificate and judged him. You can't get more Finito than that.
How long do Half-Elves and Aasimar live? Couldn't any of them be still alive? Or was the clergy of Aroden restricted to 'pure' humans?

I'm going to assume that the last answer is yes. Aroden made a big deal about being the God of Humanity, it kind of fits in with the Chelaxian's historical disdain for anything that isn't purely Human. Most of the gods seem to have a dark or blind side to them. Aroden's might have been the utter disdain for the Half-Breed races, just like most Elven gods would rather spit on a half-elf than accept her worship.

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