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I was looking at the new Pathfinder Society Primer, and noticed the Book Thief's Satchel.
Construction Requirements: Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest, steal book (Kobold Quarterly #14)
I found it interesting that this is the first time I can recall seeing a 3rd-party product referenced in such a fashion in a Paizo book. Granted, they've used other company's content before, but stats/mechanics have always been provided (whether a conversion or the original). In this case, you would need to have a copy of Kobold Quarterly (or the spell within) to craft this item without the GM changing it.
In this case, it's an easy enough thing to ignore the crafting requirement as a GM, but could this be something we may expect to see in future books? A prestige class that requires a feat presented in a 3rd party product? An NPC using spells from a 3rd party book?
I have nothing against 3rd party products, especially Kobold Quarterly. However, I generally allocate my money each month towards my Paizo subscriptions, and it does bother me a bit to wonder if there will be things I can't make use of from Paizo's books because I don't have the required 3rd party material.
(and yes, I know you could likely grab the material from a website that has it posted, the point of this topic is more curiosity than anything else)
Dunno if you'll count this in the same vein, but in the original (D&D 3.5) Rise of the Runelords AP, at least one encounter was built using a prestige class from a 3.5 Green Ronin product.
So, not Pathfinder, but a Paizo book. As with the satchel you mentioned, you can use the encounter as is without the Green Ronin book, but if you wanted to deconstruct it to make changes, or use the class elsewhere, you needed the other book.
Well, it technically is 3rd party material, but it's written by James L. Sutter, and it's a spell used in The Prince of Wolves by David Gross. So it's canonical in Golarion.
There've been a number of 'official third party' articles in KQ for a while now. Even a PFS scenario or two.
And since it's open content...
Schooldivination; Levelbard 3,
inquisitor 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3
Casting Time1 standard action
ComponentsV, S
Rangetouch
Targetone book touched
Durationpermanent
Saving ThrowFortitude negates
(object); Spell Resistanceyes
(object)
Often used by bards, spies, and
arcane scholars to steal important
texts without alerting their owners, steal
bookallows you to copy the contents
of one book, folio, scroll, or other text
to a blank one of sufficient size. In
doing so, the original pages are wiped
blank, though any covers or binding
remain unchanged. Differences in size
between the original and the blank folio
don’t matter, though the blank folio that
the information is being transferred to
must have an equal or greater amount
of space (in number of pages or inches
of scroll) or else any text that overflows
the document is lost forever.
This spell cannot transfer magical
writing (such as a wizard’s spellbook
or a magical scroll). At GM’s discretion,
the spell can restore lost information,
such as a page obscured by spill wine,
text erased by magic or mundane
means, or even pages lost to fire or
other damage.
When cast from a scroll, the
beginning of the stolen text appears
on the steal bookscroll until you select a
target book for the text to appear. The
stolen text glitters and sparkles while it
remains on the scroll.
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The Dragon's Demand uses psionics from Dreamscarred Press.
WAT.
RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32
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The Dragon's Demand uses psionics from Dreamscarred Press.
*Spit takes lemonade all over his laptop.*
*Coughs up lemonade too violently to say anything of value in response.*
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But as SLA's though, right?
Sooo, technically one needn't purchase Psionics Unleashed to GM the module. However, I would strongly recommend adding it to your library—it's an outstanding resource. I'm planning on getting the Advanced Guide soon as well.
Excellent work, Dreamscarred Press!
Hang on. So PF has psionics now officially? How do these psionic abilities interact with the otherwise non-psionic PF mechanics or ARE they reskinned as SLAs? Sorry, I just didn't see a definitive answer on that...
Bummer.
Not a fan of most 3pp due to rules bloat and power creep. ...and I just ordered Dragons Demand too.
Bummer.
Not a fan of most 3pp due to rules bloat and power creep. ...and I just ordered Dragons Demand too.
Sigh. You might find this thread enraging or enlightening...
Bummer.
Not a fan of most 3pp due to rules bloat and power creep. ...and I just ordered Dragons Demand too.
That's funny because 3PP are members of the paizo staff or paizo freelancers.
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Actually Steal Book is not strictly 3rd party. While it was in KQ (technically second party as Paizo also ran that publication)...
That is going to come as a serious surprise to Wolfgang and Shelly, who were probably pretty certain they ran KQ.
...yeah...Kobold Press is a straight-up small press shop, owned and run by Wolfgang.
-Ben.
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Actually Steal Book is not strictly 3rd party. While it was in KQ (technically second party as Paizo also ran that publication), it also appeared in Seekers of Secrets, the first Pathfinder Society themed book.
As Ben said, that's definitely NOT correct. Paizo did not in any way run Kobold Quarterly :)
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Bummer.
Not a fan of most 3pp due to rules bloat and power creep. ...and I just ordered Dragons Demand too.
Too bad you feel that way, especially since some of the bigger 3PP companies are run by and/or publish material by Paizo contributors and freelancers and, in some cases, even Paizo employees.
By turning away from 3PPs, particularly the big ones, you are missing out on top quality, well balanced material written, created and published by many of the same people that make Paizo's stuff!
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Paizo has used monsters from the Tome of Horrors several times in Adventure Paths. Rasputin must Die! has two of them, and there have been others in other AP's I've noticed.
==Aelryinth
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I was looking forward to Dragon's demand because i am interested in the larger module format. Now that I have taken a second look at who has written the module, I can't wait for it to arrive in the mail. After reading this thread and seeing that there is some materiel from Dream Scarred press in Dragon's demand, I am very tempted to break my little rule of never downloading a PDF before getting my hands on the print product ( either from the mail or a Game Store) just to see what is there!
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Psionics at d20PFSRD.com for those who don't need to buy the books just to run one adventure.
Also, in the strictest sense. Paizo is a 3pp.
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Psionics at d20PFSRD.com for those who don't need to buy the books just to run one adventure.
Also, in the strictest sense. Paizo is a 3pp.
Nobody needs the Dreamscarred psionics rules to run this adventure. It's just two spell-like abilities that are usually psionic, and they are fully detailed in their entirety so no other books are needed. It's just a reference in the section 15 of this book's OGL.
Nobody needs the Dreamscarred psionics rules to run this adventure. It's just two spell-like abilities that are usually psionic, and they are fully detailed in their entirety so no other books are needed. It's just a reference in the section 15 of this book's OGL.Psionics at d20PFSRD.com for those who don't need to buy the books just to run one adventure.
Also, in the strictest sense. Paizo is a 3pp.
I am well aware of that, but many people like to peek at the source material.
Bummer.
Not a fan of most 3pp due to rules bloat and power creep. ...and I just ordered Dragons Demand too.
I found this to be true as D&D 3.0/3.5 progressed, with my group buying up lots of 3PP material in the beginning and eventually avoiding it because most of it seemed so unbalanced.
With Pathfinder, we started out avoiding 3PP material because of those experiences, but have slowly started to incorporate it into our games as we realize third party material for Pathfinder is 99% top quality and created by professionals that care about their creations.
3PP material has greatly matured over the last several years. Try not to dismiss it based on early experiences.