I believe that is similar to the Copy Cat/ Mirror Image thing.
Although it says it 'otherwise' functions like Clairaudience/Clairvoyance,
there are signifigant differences is function (range, duration, casting time),
so it should no longer as casting the 3rd level spell Clairaudience/Clairvoyance itself.
These differences are on par to Vanish vs. Invisiblity, and are certainly enough to justify that the ability is no longer a 3rd level spell...
Thus it defaults to the general rules for SLAs deriving spell level from the class level that grants them.
I am VERY late on the party and it hasn't been a year yet so Raise Thread works, right? Copycat is a (SU) not SLA - so it doesn't qualify. Right?
Does this kill my Trickery Domain Mystic Theurge?
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I am VERY late on the party and it hasn't been a year yet so Raise Thread works, right? Copycat is a (SU) not SLA - so it doesn't qualify. Right?
Does this kill my Trickery Domain Mystic Theurge?
Er, I just checked the Official PRD, and it's listed as (Sp). Do you have an old CRB or something? Or maybe some smudged ink? ;)
Er, I just checked the Official PRD, and it's listed as (Sp). Do you have an old CRB or something? Or maybe some smudged ink? ;)I am VERY late on the party and it hasn't been a year yet so Raise Thread works, right? Copycat is a (SU) not SLA - so it doesn't qualify. Right?
Does this kill my Trickery Domain Mystic Theurge?
As... I... Was. I just double checked. Apparently was too tired to distinguish the two.
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By the way everyone, this FAQ was recently updated. If a spellcasting class grants you an SLA, its status as arcane or divine is based on the nature of the class granting it. The "hierarchy" is only used for racial SLAs, SLAs granted by non-casting classes, etc.
The biggest impact of this (off the top of my head, at least) is that the Copycat SLA (mirror image variant granted by the Trickery domain) is divine rather than arcane. This shuts down certain Mystic Theurge builds, while opening up others.
I know, Necrothread.
Ok, so, I'm trying to decide on a backup character (previous idea flubbed out).
Now I'm thinking of a MT build. So, if I understand it all correctly, and I was considering a Empyreal Sorcerer/Inquisitor build, I could do the following :
Fate Inquisition (Satisfies Level 2 Divine SLA)
Any Aasimar or Tiefling with a 2nd level SLA satisfies Arcane (assuming it's an arcane spell).
Any other races that grant level Arcane SLAs? Drow I'd assume, but that could be problematic. :)
It's inquisitor worth for a MT? all you need from your base class after all are the spells, cleric would be much better. Cleric 1 will get heal and harm by the end of his MT levels, inquisitor would be stuck with fourth level spells. Remember, cleric can take inquisition in place of a single domain, still getting the extra slots for the other one.
It's inquisitor worth for a MT? all you need from your base class after all are the spells, cleric would be much better. Cleric 1 will get heal and harm by the end of his MT levels, inquisitor would be stuck with fourth level spells. Remember, cleric can take inquisition in place of a single domain, still getting the extra slots for the other one.
you don't need inquisitor class, just fate inquisition. Clerics can take inquisitions as domains too
I was mostly going Inquisitor because it was a spontaneous wisdom based class. I prefer spontaneous over prepared honestly. Plus my plan was soemthing like this :
1 Monk (of some kind, for WIS to AC, Saves)
2 Inquisitor
3 Empyreal Sorcerer
4+ Mystic Theurge
My two big stats would be Wis/Dex.
I was mostly going Inquisitor because it was a spontaneous wisdom based class. I prefer spontaneous over prepared honestly. Plus my plan was soemthing like this :
1 Monk (of some kind, for WIS to AC, Saves)
2 Inquisitor
3 Empyreal Sorcerer
4+ Mystic TheurgeMy two big stats would be Wis/Dex.
Would like to see a build for that.
Now I'm thinking of a MT build.Rather than think 'MT' build, what do you want the character to DO?
In general many people build by making mechanical decisions before conceptual ones, and then are disappointed because a character doesn't live up to an undefined concept, or lacks direction.
What do you want from this character?
What would he bring to the table at low and high levels?
-James
What I want from the character is to cover spell casting as we've been having a lot of issues with bouncing players lately, so we never know if we're going to have a spellcaster or not (I honestly rarely play spellcasters). So yes, I'm going from a 'mechanics' point in that I want a character that can be a good arcane caster and backup healer (we usually have more trouble keeping arcane casters than divine).
So far we've had two players move, another lose his job and get kicked out by his girlfriend within a week, another one get a new job that requires him work Sundays, another one lose his job provided vehicle and not afford a vehicle of his own, and 2-3 other loses in the last year for other reasons beyond their control. So I'm getting a bit paranoid at this point. :)
So, at all levels, someone who can stay up, deliver spells on target, and back up the healer without being a drain on resources. :) I know, all things master of none. But given how much issue we've had lately, I wanted to cover bases going forward. My current character is a fun character, but as a Divine Hunter Paladin, he's not a tank, not a healer, pretty much a cannon (not glass though, decent AC and HP).
James,
If I knew what the party composition was likely to look like, I wouldn't be looking at the MT. :) That's sort of the point. :)
Besides, there's also the idea that I never play spellcasters, so if I'm going to, I might as well go full bore. I'm less concerned about power levels. I rarely get into games where people are hyper min/maxed. So really versatility is better than hyper min/max glass cannon.